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#7365 of 7456 Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [peetert] by larryqw Jun 02, 2008 (10:40 am)
Replying to: peetert (Jun 02, 2008 8:00 am) The Taurus X has a big advantage in the more modern electronics such as SYNC, Navigation, and the rear Family Entertainment System.   However, if you don't want these, the FS has an advantage in price and fuel economy. OTOH, many people have trouble finding anyone to repair the CVT, even if it's covered by warranty.   A used TX may be fine, even as a former rental, if you get enough warranty. We bought my wife's Freestar minivan that way with a bumper-to-bumper 100K warranty, with the car at only 15K miles. The warranty lists like $3K, but you can bargain them down to well under $1500, especially by quoting web sources that sell the same Ford warranty for that. Overall, the Freestar at a year old was about 60% of new, even adding the warranty.   The bench seats in the second row are nicer for the console and comfort. But if you need 7 passengers, get the bench.   In my case, I got the bucket seats and console. My kids prefer the third row, where they can sit up high because of command seating. However, the little rascals don't always bother with the flip seats and often just jump like monkeys over the second row seats, folded down or not. They have lots of room in front of them to look around. Like the back of the bus when you were a kid. For bigger people the bucket seats in the second row are indeed nicer. Each can recline independently and there's a console and cup holders, etc.
#7366 of 7456 Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [cmuniz] by mfkoerschner Jun 02, 2008 (4:52 pm)
Replying to: cmuniz (Jun 02, 2008 9:06 am) I've never driven the Tx - but I'm very pleased with our 2005 Fwd FS. We leave the 40 portion of the 40/60 2nd seat down and the kids (9 & 7) step in no problem. We also have a 2 year-old who sits in the anchored seat directly behind the driver.   I like that the 3rd row on the FS are vinyl. Spilled the chocolate milk? No worries.   I like the CVT and view it as an enabling technology for the future - which I believe to be electric engines. We live in a VERY hilly/mountainous area and that played into my desire for the CVT. I do a lot of biking and wish I had a CVT on my bike.   I think the improved fuel economy of the 3.0 w/CVT is worth it. There's plenty of power there. On fuel, the Fwd FS is competitive with anything out there that hauls 7 - beats most actually. 10% improvement is a lot at $4/gallon. Replies to this message: bobw3 (Jun 03, 2008 8:03 am)
#7367 of 7456 Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [mfkoerschner] by bobw3 Jun 03, 2008 (8:03 am)
Replying to: mfkoerschner (Jun 02, 2008 4:52 pm) I have an '05 FS FWD with 62,000 miles and I agree with you. The CVT is smoother than auto transmission and you can use the cruise on hilly and even mountain areas on the highways and the CVT will gradually increase/decrease RPMS as needed, versus the hard up and downshifts of an auto.   And I've had 29mpg on highway trips if I keep the speed between 65-70mph. I have a 2500 mile road trip coming up this fall and I'm going to keep the speed at the posted speed limits to see if I can break 30mpg. Around town I get 20-23mpg consistently and it's rare that it ever goes below 20mpg.   Personally I'd never buy the TX because the added HP and reduced MPG aren't worth it to me. Plus the price is too high in comparison to other vehicles. When I bought my FS, it cost me $25K and there wasn't much competition out there back in '05 for a 3 row vehicle that could hold adults in all rows with this MPG and price.   I plan on keeping my FS for many more years (no major problems so far), but if I was in the market, I'd look at a Mazda5 on the small end or a Honda Odyssey at the large end. You can get a well-equipped Odyssey for the same price as a TX and get more space and better mpg with the Odyssey. There are a lot of full-sized crossovers out there, but if I'm going to spend $30K then I'd rather get a minivan with better MPG and more space.
#7368 of 7456 Re: Clicking noise on acceleration at 10 mph approx. [tpbc] by amckenz1 Jun 23, 2008 (2:11 pm)
Replying to: tpbc (Jul 22, 2005 7:50 am) Did you ever find a solution for this? The same thing is happening to me. A very audible clicking sound that comes from somewhere behind the glovebox. When I start the car in the morning it clicks about 5 times and then stops. It happens after I start the car later in the day, but not all the time (more than 10% though). Replies to this message: elibruno (Jun 23, 2008 2:44 pm)
#7369 of 7456 Clicking sound coming from behind glovebox by amckenz1 Jun 23, 2008 (2:15 pm)
I have an '05 FWD Ford Freestyle. When I start hte car in the morning I hear a very audible clicking noise that seems to originate somewhere behind the glovebox area. It clicks about 5-6 times and then stops as I slowly accelerate. If I start the car later in the day, it's not guaranteed that it will happen, but probably does 30-40% of the time. Has anyone one else encountered this or know where it's coming from? Any help/direction would be much appreciated   Thanks!
#7370 of 7456 Re: Clicking noise on acceleration at 10 mph approx. [amckenz1] by elibruno Jun 23, 2008 (2:44 pm)
Replying to: amckenz1 (Jun 23, 2008 2:11 pm) had this same noise and Ford dealer quickly diagnosed and fixed it under warrantee - it is some type of A/C machinery part that Countryside Ford of Clearwater told me is common, not dangerous and easy to replace part. So discuss it with your service dept and tell them where I got quick resolution!
#7371 of 7456 More Powerful old 3.0L Duratec for the Escape by coldcranker Jul 07, 2008 (3:04 pm)
Should current Freestyle owners be upset about this? Ford found a way to get more power and fuel economy out of the 1995-vintage Duratec V6 design. I have an '05 Freestyle with 203 HP and 18/25 EPA rating (new rating method here), and the '09 Ford Escape is getting a 240 HP version of the same engine that is said to get 1 MPG more. Since the basic engine design goes all the way back to the early 90's, why couldn't Ford have "discovered" the way to make this engine more powerful and slightly more fuel efficient just 4 years earlier, in time to take away the critics of the Freestyle who say 203 HP is just not enough.   I wonder if Ford will allow me to trade my 203 HP 3.0L Duratec for the new 240 HP one? Should bolt right in. A little extra power with more fuel economy is always welcome.   Also, why not drop the 240 HP 3.0L Duratec in to the Taurus & TaurusX for more fuel economy with gas at $4 per gallon? That would give the Ford Edge the more powerful, newer 3.5L Duratec for some differentiation with the TaurusX at least, making the Edge the "sporty" one and the TaurusX the more serious utility model. Ford would still have the larger Flex with the newer/bigger V6; more differentiation there for the luxury crossover. Ford, are you listening to my wise opinion? Replies to this message: ronsmith38 (Jul 07, 2008 4:13 pm) stevedebi (Jul 08, 2008 10:31 am) coldcranker (Jul 09, 2008 7:06 pm)
#7372 of 7456 Re: More Powerful old 3.0L Duratec for the Escape [coldcranker] by ronsmith38 Jul 07, 2008 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 07, 2008 3:04 pm) Who knows, maybe the only difference is a new chip!
#7373 of 7456 Re: More Powerful old 3.0L Duratec for the Escape [coldcranker] by stevedebi Jul 08, 2008 (10:31 am)
Replying to: coldcranker (Jul 07, 2008 3:04 pm) " I have an '05 Freestyle with 203 HP and 18/25 EPA rating (new rating method here), and the '09 Ford Escape is getting a 240 HP version of the same engine that is said to get 1 MPG more."   I think ford has added a version of VVT to the new engine, that technology wasn't available until this year for the 3.0.   Also, note that the Escape is 600 lbs (at least) lighter than the FS, and the engine might not yield the same 1 MPG advantage in your FS.   Any "engine swap" would also have to modify the CPU code so that the transmission and engine were matched correctly. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jul 09, 2008 7:06 pm)
#7374 of 7456 Re: More Powerful old 3.0L Duratec for the Escape [stevedebi] by coldcranker Jul 09, 2008 (7:06 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Jul 08, 2008 10:31 am) Replying to the last post, remember that the variable valve timing version of the venerable 3.0L Duratec was available in Jaguars and Lincoln LSs since about 2002, and even the lower-cost 2006 Fusion had the VVT version of the Duratec V6.   I got some more info on what Ford did to evolve the 3.0L Duratec for the '09 Escape from Motor Trend: new intake and exhaust manifold shapes, new fuel injectors, higher compression ratio ( I think from 10.0 to 10.3), new heads, variable valve timing, and revised valve cams. Those changes would have been great just a little earlier. Ford could not find the budget to do this over the period from 1994 to 2007 to the Duratec 3.0L V6 while it was being put into everything on the planet. Now other V6s are taking over where it used to be, while the 3.0L V6 finds its way into fewer and fewer applications. Maybe it will make a comeback as fuel efficiency gets priority. Fusions and Escapes still get it, although Taurus no longer has it.

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