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Re: CVT [passat_2002] by steve_ HOST
Apr 30, 2008 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Apr 30, 2008 7:31 pm)

Good grief.. enough already.
 
All this time we had a Freestyle CVT discussion buried at the bottom of the topic list.
 
So, most of the recent CVT posts have been moved over there; apologies if this thread seems a bit disjointed now, but at least we can get back to other X issues.
 
Here's the link:
 
stevedebi, "Ford Freestyle Taurus X CVT Transmissions" #54, 22 Apr 2008 4:52 pm
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I would love to own Taurus X Hybrid by bprass
May 04, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Ford brings many nice models with great accessories... but still most people go for Japanese cars.
 
If Ford wants to attract people buy this lovely vehicle, they should introduce a Hybrid version, Hybrid+Deisel version will be great!
 
Is there a way to pass this message to Ford people?
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Re: I would love to own Taurus X Hybrid [bprass] by barnstormer64
May 04, 2008 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: bprass (May 04, 2008 1:53 pm)

Hybrid+Deisel version will be great!
 
Have you priced diesel lately?
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Re: I would love to own Taurus X Hybrid [bprass] by larryqw
May 04, 2008 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: bprass (May 04, 2008 1:53 pm)

I would say Hybrid + Ford's new EcoBoost is even better, and that combination will likely happen anyway in the next couple years as EcoBoost permeates the Ford line. EcoBoost has a 25% fuel efficiency improvement like that of Diesel, using the same direct fuel injection into the cylinder, but adding a turbo charger providing a very nice flat torque curve across all RPM. And it can use gas or ethanol.
 
As for the Taurus X, I love it and bought one. But I think it's on the way out next year, with Ford neglecting to even advertise it. It will be replaced by the Flex coming now, and the new car-like Explorer America, that's due in about a year.
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New/Used TX vs 07 FS by peetert
Jun 02, 2008 (8:00 am)
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After much deliberation (still some to go) we have decided to upgrade to a Taurus X or Freestyle. I've got a few questions that I hope can be answered here.
 
The dealership we're working with doesn't currently have anything we're interested in, but is willing to do a dealer exchange for a new TX, or find a used TX or FS at auction based on our specs. This will be our 3rd Ford from the same saleman (new dealership). Currently we're considering the Used TX option, but want to see if the incentives on new get any better this month. We're not in a rush to buy, but the longer we wait, the less variety we'll have to choose from.
 
Below is a pro/con list I've come up with and invite any comments /additions. Further below are questions regarding options we're trying to finalize.
 
New
pro - it's new,
cons - more $$, quickly depreciates
 
Used TX
Pro - Cheaper, can get CPO to bring warranty out further
Cons - Used and most of the current used mrk is former rentals
 
Used FS
Pros - even cheaper, slightly better gas mileage
Cons - not as peppy as TX, CVT(?)
 
Finally, we're REALLY undecided as to the 2nd row configuration. While the bucket seats are convenient for access to the 3rd row, they limit the car to 6 people. We tested all three configurations ( bench and buckets w/ & w/o console) and the kids had no problems with any of them. Please let me know which you chose and why.
 
Thanks,
 
Peeter
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Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [peetert] by cmuniz
Jun 02, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: peetert (Jun 02, 2008 8:00 am)

Having had an 05 Freestyle and currently driving an 08 TX, both "Limited" , I think the TX is a better car. I liked the CVT, but it is a unique transmission for Ford that is no longer being used so future maintenance might be a problem. I like the 6 speed on the TX almost as well. The TX has better power and I like the power lift gate. The 3.5 engine and 6 speed trans is found on several Ford models so I think future maintenance support will be a lot better. As for configuration, your family needs and desires should drive that decision.
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Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [peetert] by larryqw
Jun 02, 2008 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: peetert (Jun 02, 2008 8:00 am)

The Taurus X has a big advantage in the more modern electronics such as SYNC, Navigation, and the rear Family Entertainment System.
 
However, if you don't want these, the FS has an advantage in price and fuel economy. OTOH, many people have trouble finding anyone to repair the CVT, even if it's covered by warranty.
 
A used TX may be fine, even as a former rental, if you get enough warranty. We bought my wife's Freestar minivan that way with a bumper-to-bumper 100K warranty, with the car at only 15K miles. The warranty lists like $3K, but you can bargain them down to well under $1500, especially by quoting web sources that sell the same Ford warranty for that. Overall, the Freestar at a year old was about 60% of new, even adding the warranty.
 
The bench seats in the second row are nicer for the console and comfort. But if you need 7 passengers, get the bench.
 
In my case, I got the bucket seats and console. My kids prefer the third row, where they can sit up high because of command seating. However, the little rascals don't always bother with the flip seats and often just jump like monkeys over the second row seats, folded down or not. They have lots of room in front of them to look around. Like the back of the bus when you were a kid. For bigger people the bucket seats in the second row are indeed nicer. Each can recline independently and there's a console and cup holders, etc.
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Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [cmuniz] by mfkoerschner
Jun 02, 2008 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: cmuniz (Jun 02, 2008 9:06 am)

I've never driven the Tx - but I'm very pleased with our 2005 Fwd FS. We leave the 40 portion of the 40/60 2nd seat down and the kids (9 & 7) step in no problem. We also have a 2 year-old who sits in the anchored seat directly behind the driver.
 
I like that the 3rd row on the FS are vinyl. Spilled the chocolate milk? No worries.
 
I like the CVT and view it as an enabling technology for the future - which I believe to be electric engines. We live in a VERY hilly/mountainous area and that played into my desire for the CVT. I do a lot of biking and wish I had a CVT on my bike.
 
I think the improved fuel economy of the 3.0 w/CVT is worth it. There's plenty of power there. On fuel, the Fwd FS is competitive with anything out there that hauls 7 - beats most actually. 10% improvement is a lot at $4/gallon.
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Re: New/Used TX vs 07 FS [mfkoerschner] by bobw3
Jun 03, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: mfkoerschner (Jun 02, 2008 4:52 pm)

I have an '05 FS FWD with 62,000 miles and I agree with you. The CVT is smoother than auto transmission and you can use the cruise on hilly and even mountain areas on the highways and the CVT will gradually increase/decrease RPMS as needed, versus the hard up and downshifts of an auto.
 
And I've had 29mpg on highway trips if I keep the speed between 65-70mph. I have a 2500 mile road trip coming up this fall and I'm going to keep the speed at the posted speed limits to see if I can break 30mpg. Around town I get 20-23mpg consistently and it's rare that it ever goes below 20mpg.
 
Personally I'd never buy the TX because the added HP and reduced MPG aren't worth it to me. Plus the price is too high in comparison to other vehicles. When I bought my FS, it cost me $25K and there wasn't much competition out there back in '05 for a 3 row vehicle that could hold adults in all rows with this MPG and price.
 
I plan on keeping my FS for many more years (no major problems so far), but if I was in the market, I'd look at a Mazda5 on the small end or a Honda Odyssey at the large end. You can get a well-equipped Odyssey for the same price as a TX and get more space and better mpg with the Odyssey. There are a lot of full-sized crossovers out there, but if I'm going to spend $30K then I'd rather get a minivan with better MPG and more space.

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