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#7192 of 7455 Why you shouldn't buy out your lease. by mschmal Oct 28, 2007 (8:49 am)
Assuming that you did not go over miles or way under miles on your leased vehicle it is almost always not a good idea to buy it out.   The residual of most vehicles is subsidized by the manufacturer to make the lease payment more attractive. (the higher the residual-amount the car is worth at lease end-the lower your monthly payment.)   This means that the residual you have to pay to buy your lease out is almost always higher than a comparable car with the same milage sells for as a used vehicle. Also your leased vehicle is out of warranty.   In addition, if you do a 3 year lease then buy the lease out for a 5 year purchase to keep the payments basically the same, you will be making payments on a 6, 7, 8 yr vehicle which is when maintenance costs are the highest. Combine the car payment with the repair bill and you could have been in a new car.   ALSO you most likely will be in a negative equity situtation. For year 1, 2, 3, of your lease buyout payments, you'll owe more on your 4, 5 and 6 year old car than its worth. If you total the vehicle not only will you be without a car, you'll own $$$ to the bank even after the insurance payout.   Mark
#7193 of 7455 Re: New vs Old [cmuniz] by passat_2002 Oct 28, 2007 (9:09 am)
Replying to: cmuniz (Oct 27, 2007 5:20 am) "although I really like the CVT, Ford does not seem to be committed to it"   Although I know you mean the specific CVT found in the Freestyle, Ford is in fact very committed to the CVT in principle. CVT's are used in all hybrid vehicles, including the hybrid versions of the Escape and Mariner. The upcoming hybrid versions of the Fusion and Edge will surely have a CVT in them. Ford also makes extensive use of CVT transmissions in many of their non-hybrid vehicles that they build and sell overseas. Replies to this message: stevedebi (Oct 29, 2007 11:25 am) passat_2002 (Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm) cmuniz (Oct 30, 2007 4:17 am)
#7195 of 7455 Re: Trade in the FS for a T-Rex? [freealfas] by stevedebi Oct 29, 2007 (11:23 am)
Replying to: freealfas (Oct 26, 2007 7:11 pm) "there are more than a few cvt's on the road, I would assume no more than the 6spd as just because there are more doesn't equate to lower repair costs."   Not so much repair as parts. The new 6 speed combo is more likely to continue in production; the CVT is grandfathered, and the parts will be more expensive.
#7196 of 7455 Re: New vs Old [passat_2002] by stevedebi Oct 29, 2007 (11:25 am)
Replying to: passat_2002 (Oct 28, 2007 9:09 am) "Although I know you mean the specific CVT found in the Freestyle, Ford is in fact very committed to the CVT in principle. "   Yes, but to my knowledge the Freestyle CVT is not used in any other vehicle... Perhaps someone knows of other applications. Replies to this message: passat_2002 (Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm)
#7197 of 7455 Re: New vs Old [stevedebi] by passat_2002 Oct 29, 2007 (1:10 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Oct 29, 2007 11:25 am) The bottom line is this. I certainly don't expect to ever have to have my Freestyle's transmission repaired in any way, so I care very little as to what it would cost. Some people obsess over what-if's too much.   The '08 Taurus X appeals to me too. But I certainly wouldn't buy it just to trade-out transmissions.
#7198 of 7455 Re: New vs Old [passat_2002] by cmuniz Oct 30, 2007 (4:17 am)
Replying to: passat_2002 (Oct 28, 2007 9:09 am) As you know from reading my post, the CVT was only one reason for considering an 08 - not the only reason. Ford got rid of their only CVT producing plant so that is a not good sign. The only other CVT in a Ford product is in the Escape Hybrid and its twins which I believe is built by a third party. I have not heard anything about the other Ford hybrids coming in the future. My sources tell me that Ford is betting the future on fuel cell and flex fuel vehicles and not hybrids which they feel have a short life span merely bridging the time until the new technologies come on line. You only need to read the Escape Hybrid thread on Edmunds to see how frustrated customers are with Ford when it comes to their commitment to hybrids.   I have a history of trading cars every few years so I probably would trade my 05 Freestyle soon no matter what kind of transmission it had, but the fact that the CVT is being abandoned is not a good sign in my opinion, especially since it such a good product. I am not worried about the mechanical components which appear to be very sound, but I am worried about the support and future knowledge of all the electronics that control and monitor the CVT.
#7199 of 7455 FORD CVT by mschmal Oct 30, 2007 (6:21 am)
Ford IS NOT committed to the CVT. CVT was something they tried and now abandoned. CVT benefits are only on par with a traditional 6 speed automatic. The 6 speed automatic though is less expensive to produce, can handle more torque, and requires less maintenance.   Ford already closed the factory where the CVT is made. They also are retooling an additional factory to make the 6F trans that was co-developed with GM.
#7200 of 7455 folding and removeable 2nd or 3rd row? by bobw3 Oct 30, 2007 (7:24 am)
Is there any vehicle out there that has both folding and removeable 2nd and/or 3rd row. While I really like the folding aspect, it would be nice when you know that you're not going to need the 3rd row (eg a long family road trip)to just remove it and not have the wasted space of the folded 3rd row. Or if you really need to move a lot of stuff, it would be nice to be able to remove both the 2nd and 3rd rows to get a lot more space.   I really don't think any vehicle out there has this option, but I'd sure like it. Replies to this message: bdyment (Oct 31, 2007 6:52 am)
#7201 of 7455 Re: folding and removeable 2nd or 3rd row? [bobw3] by bdyment Oct 31, 2007 (6:52 am)
Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 30, 2007 7:24 am) Look at a Dodge Caravan or a Chrysler Town and Country. They both have stow and go second and third row seats.

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