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Replying to: passat_2002 (Aug 09, 2007 7:26 am) Correlation does not imply causation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation Read the paragraph on the link. |
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Replying to: bobw3 (Aug 09, 2007 1:45 pm) ford didn't educate it's dealers about how to sell this thing yet alone it customer's and its advantages. Any customer who found/bought one had to go find the info in print or web, read it, and then pursue the test drive. the other scenario I suspect was a salesman trying to save a sale. He's watching an explorer person who just realized they weren't what they wanted so on the way to the exit the saelsman says oh by the way I have this over here... that was the biggest cause of this debacle... the cvt is not causing nissan, dodge, gm, toyota, audi, or any other manufacturer who uses it from selling its cars. maybe if they embraced the difference from the start as opposed to keeping it the red headed stepchild of the transmission division. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Aug 09, 2007 7:26 am) You might try a course in logic. 
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Replying to: freealfas (Aug 09, 2007 2:01 pm) ford didn't educate it's dealers about how to sell this thing yet alone it customer's and its advantages Actually, my local dealer here DID encourage me to FLOOR the accelerator when I was driving it, to see what it could do. Reminder to self: don't buy any from there that have any miles on them. I don't see how it's such a complicated subject: want to go faster? push on accelerator more. Pretty simple, really. 
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Aug 09, 2007 10:46 am) I believe you are correct at this time, but hybrids do not require CVT. The Honda Insight and the Honda Civic hybrids were both available with stick shift as well as CVT. I don't think the MT is available any more on the Civic, however. The Insight is discontinued for 2008.
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 09, 2007 10:09 pm) All "FULL HYBRIDS" on the market right now use a CVT. The same one actually from Aisen. Honda and GM make a "Mild Hybrid" and therefore can use a different trans. Full Hybrid = full electric motor only launch and full regenerative braking. Mild hybrid = electric ASSIST launch and mild regenerative braking. This is a basic design difference. The Civic Hybrid is a great little car that gets really great MPG. But you can buy a new Ford Focus for about $10,000 less. That buys a lot of gas. Mark.
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Replying to: freealfas (Aug 09, 2007 2:01 pm) |
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Replying to: prairiedog (Aug 10, 2007 7:14 am) Mechanics always spew stuff like this.
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Replying to: prairiedog (Aug 10, 2007 7:14 am) "Mechanics" like these are another piece to the puzzle of why the American public don't seem to want a CVT in their car. Give Ford credit for trying it anyway. |
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Aug 11, 2007 1:04 pm) No one is dialoging about how reliable the throttle-by-wire system is in the Freestyle / Taurus X. Isn't that also unproven? I think it is pretty good, personally. Many people didn't know they were driving without a mechanical throttle cable. In fact, many couldn't tell. Certain things become hot topics because people fear the unknown. If I didn't read in Automotive Week about the engineering that went into this CVT, and note that Ford has been using CVTs in Europe for years before the Freestyle was born, I might have been more concerned. Having driven a 6-speed Milan with 3.0 L V6, it is also soft off the line, and has similar gas mileage to the Freestyle. The Milan/Fusion is selling well. The number one comment I get on my Freestyle is not about the CVT, but, "What is it - I have never heard of it". 
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