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14399 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 7:51 PM
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Not to say what others have said before me (and I agree with them fully), but you amaze me. Why do you CARE that I go faster than you? Why do you feel a NEED to stop me by parking your car in the left lane? Have your heard about the often-used term road rage? Well for me at least I don't get upset if someone cuts me off too much (hey, everyone makes a mistake sometimes), but I get frustrated and feel a need to run them off the road if they're taking their sweet time in the left lane, not noticcing what's behind them - aka: inconsiderate drivers at best, likely ignorant, or just plain moronic at their worst. Second point. If you stick to the left lane while even 5mph slower than left lane traffic, you cause all those left lane drivers to either: a) slow down b) touching their brakes to slow down If "b" happens, then you get a... c'mon you know this word...think harder...YES traffic jam! All cars in that lane will either brake or switch lanes and brake to avoid the LLC, reducing overall traffic speed on all lanes, and resulting in a traffic jam. I've seen it form way too ofter on the 401 (major highway here in Toronto) just b/c some &^%$ head didn't look or didn't care to move over. Dinu
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| I have a friend who missed out on having her mother around in her late teens because someone decided it might be fun to go boozing and cruising. I've always believed even allowing oneself to get into a situation where you are drunk and have access to a car is a form of premeditation. The whole decision making process starts at the very beginning of the night before the first drinks go down. | |
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If you kill someone while driving drunk in New York State, the maximum sentence you can get is 15 years in prison. 2 summers ago I was called for Grand Jury Duty and got picked. For those of you who don't know, the Grand Jury decides if there is enough evidence to bring the case to trial. So we heard multiple cases over the month of doing our civic duty. The majority of them were DWI cases. The legal limit for DWI in NY is .1 BAC. 95% of the cases we heard had people blowing .15 & higher (one guy blew a .42 3 hours after they arrested them when he regained conciousness). All the cases for DWI we heard except for maybe 2, the people were repeat offenders & many were driving on already suspended lisences. I'm always reading all these horror stories about parents or children getting killed by a drunk driver who walks away without a scratch. drunk drivers speed, swerve, drive slow on the highway (so they think the Trooper won't notice somebody doing 40mph on the highway). |
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| eharri: I agree with you on the premeditation part, as one is aware there will be drinks at a party and choses to drive. Once there they chose to have a drink again. The final choice is whether they are fit to drive. Unfortunately, but true... | |
| Yes, Brent it is legal to be a LLC ONLY WHEN AT THE SPEED LIMIT for at that limit nobody is being impeded because all are obligated to be driving no faster than the maximum allowed by law. LLC appears to be somewhat of a bother to drivers who want to break the speed law. In their frustration they think the LLC is in control of them, by not getting out of their chosen path of excessive speed. A rolling herd at the speed limit is much safer than the high speed freak who chooses to not conform. Obll: I don't want to "punish" anyone, but the speed freak justs thinks he is being punished or controlled. Lines at the bank, post office, and stores are facts of life that don't frustrate me. Why do they bother you? Instant Gratification Syndrome strikes again? dinu01: I don't care that you go faster than the limit, but why do you care to go too fast? Road Rage is when the frustrated driver makes a conscious decision to behave adversly by losing control of his emotions and blames it on the object of his frustration in an attempt to avoid responsibility for his pathetic behavior. Being in the crosshairs is not the same as pulling the trigger. (When traversing at less than the limit, I'm not a LLC) | |
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A rolling herd is safer than speed differentials? Maybe one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. People cruising in eachother's blindspots or right next to eachother, day dreaming, talking on cell phones, eating Big Macs, wandering into my lane whenever the highway curves even a little bit... sorry, I don't buy it. I don't like sitting next to those people. I like to avoid crowds and keep moving and if someone else wants to do the same I respect that. Ever seen a sign that says "Keep right except to pass, but if you're doing the speed limit it's OK to stay in the left lane even if you're getting passed on the right and there's a long line of cars backed up for miles behind you with all the drivers giving you the finger and passing on the right with a foot to spare?" Nope. You only see "Keep right except to pass." In many states it is in fact the law: No cruising in the left lane, regardless of speed. Wherever you see the law discussed, there's no caveat saying 'but if you're doing the speed limit or below it's OK.' I HAVE seen people pulled over for it. Because it's common sense: when people who want to drive at a certain speed are stuck behind others who want to drive considerably slower, when there's no good reason for those slow drivers to be on the left, you increase frustration and the likelihood for erratic behavior. Again, Mind your own darn business. You still haven't proven how if I wizz by you at 85 while you're doing 65 and disappear in the distance I am endangering your life. I think it's old man's syndrome... none of them young whipper-snappers should be going any faster than a nice, experienced, safe driver like yourself who thinks unnecessary congestion and rolling traffic jams are perfectly safe. Speeding in itself isn't safe. Driving too fast for road or traffic conditions is. Left lane campers create rolling traffic jams, an unsafe traffic condition. Show me a badge then I have to do what you want. If you don't have one get the heck out of my way if you are not actively passing other cars and I'll do the same for you. Yes, speeders are violating the law. But speeding in and of itself does not interfere with anything you do. Left lane camping is a direct interference in other people's driving patterns. Like I said before... your type of thinking totally defeats the purpose of the multiple lane highway, which is so that drivers who want to go faster don't have to get stuck behind slower drivers. Everybody gets to go at their comfort speed so that there's no necessary congestion. By your thinking all highways should just be one lane since people like you want to get in the left lane but then go the same speed as the next car over anyway. |
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This weekend, my fiance and I were pulling out of a grocery and drove up to a red light about 200 feet down. A '94-ish Grand Marquis came blasting up behind us and barely missed creaming out rear bumper. I saw his nose dive for the ground and I held on tight. But wait....there's more! After the light turns green he promptly gets into the left lane and passes us. Traffic is backed up by the next light about 1/2 mile down and we are all slowing down. This idiot evidently didn't see the MILLION brake lights in front of him and goes into a full panic stop about 6 inches from the rear bumper of a new Caddy DHS. Full wheel lock and skidding, screeching rubber, smoke and all. WHAT A MORON! Makes me hope he gets what's coming to him without hurting anyone else. |
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Kinley: LLC's like yourself are the equivalent of golfers who play slowly and don't let the people behind them play through, and then rationalize it by saying that the golfers behind are cheating on their score anyway, so they don't deserve to play through. All they do is infuriate everybody else behind them, and unnecessary friction is formed between others. The rules of etiquette are there in golf to ensure that this friction never occurs. Likewise for the rules of driving etiquette. And one such rule is "Keep right except to pass". You see, driving to some people is something they enjoy. To others, they just want to get to their destination as soon and safe as possible. Sure, they may cheat (speed), but why does that bother you so much? Just keep right, let them pass, and everyone's happy. Why cause people behind you to get angry and possibly do something stupid in their anger? Keep in mind that, though you may be doing the speed limit, those behind you certainly can not, because a person's speed normally fluctuates within ~5MPH as they drive. Kinley, I know that you stand very strongly on this issue, I just want to know why? Are you mad at the world? Did you get in an accident in the right lane once? It makes no sense to me why someone would go so out of their way to tick off others around them when it would be so much easier to just let them by and let life go on. |
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A couple of stories that might come under the heading of 'road etiquette"...
I was riding in a friend's car on a trip to D.C. He does NOT like to exceed the speed limit. He'll go right up to it, but he won't go over it. We were headed south on I-83 somewhere north of Baltimore, cruise control locked in on 55 with traffic passing us in bunches. I wasn't saying anything to my buddy because I figure it's best to let the person in control of the car STAY in control of the car, but I was VERY uncomfortable sitting in a "rolling roadblock". Suddenly, flashing lights appear behind us and it becomes apparent the trooper wants US for some reason. When we pull over, the trooper comes up and warns my buddy for not keeping up with the traffic, that he was creating a dangerous situation on the highway. Didn't get a ticket, although I don't know if a ticket could be issued or not. Since I didn't say anything to him, I couldn't say "I told you so", but I DID give a silent THANKS to the trooper.
Other story happens on I-95 between Washington and Baltimore. We were returning in the evening from a trip to DC, my Dad behind the wheel, and it is raining HARD. So hard that the road is starting to flood a bit in the right lane and it's extremely difficult to see the lines on the road in the glare of the oncoming headlights in the water. Not much in the way of traffic heading our way, so my Dad is riding in the left lane. Less water to contend with and it's much easier to follow the road by watching the left side guard rail. Waa Waa Waa... flashing lights, siren... pulled over for "failure to drive to the right". Didn't matter that the right lane was under water and that we might have run off the road because you couldn't see anything in the downpour, Dad got the ticket. So even "extenuating circumstances" were of no avail when it came to being an accidental LLC.
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