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#21578 of 22403 Re: Roundabouts? [andres3]
Mar 25, 2013 (3:24 pm)
Emergency vehicles - do we really want to design our roadways for the benefit of vehicles that use those roadways less than 1% of the time?
No, you're right. We certainly don't want to design roads to make it easier/faster for vehicles for which every second could mean the difference between life or death. We want to design them so folks like you can get to work/play/home a little sooner, even if it means emergency vehicles have to slow down.
How silly of me to think otherwise.
#21579 of 22403 Re: Roundabouts? [andres3]
Mar 25, 2013 (3:29 pm)
I don't see these vehicles blowing through normal intersections either - if anything, ambulances and firetrucks in my town barely speed at all, maybe an overly hotheaded cop will speed. But my area probably isn't the best for roundabouts anyway, due to the high price of land, and stubborn unskilled drivers who will likely refuse to learn (I suppose that could be a general American problem).
If these road structures are OK with emergency responders in other first world locations, they should be OK here too.
#21580 of 22403 Rotaries, not Roundabouts.
Mar 26, 2013 (2:21 am)
nice levelheaded response to somewhat gratuitous comments, A3.
USA people please take note the word is ROTARIES not "roundabouts". (Roundabouts go in the opposite direction.)
years ago there were 3 rotaries within a mile at the bottom of the Rt 2 (state highway) hill.
amazing speeds were possible through there. one time years ago, a state cop was particularly impressed after chasing a local citizen up the hill after the rotaries.
locally the # of rotaries is increasing lately, with bigger/faster ones long-gone or being removed and smaller/slower ones replacing troublesome/smaller intersections.
a couple weeks ago, after getting lost in a wacky cow-path new-england city with roads blocked due to road-race, i drove around a rotary about 10 times while waiting for the GM-onstar to compute/tell me the directions ! considerate or inconsiderate?! *you* make the call!
#21581 of 22403 Re: Rotaries, not Roundabouts. [elias]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 26, 2013 (4:40 am)
Well, if you believe Wikipedia, "rotaries" are out of fashion and the "precise" term among the pros for new traffic circles is "modern roundabout" (meaning it's designed to meet currently accepted design criteria).
"Rotary" is mostly a NE thing.
Mar 26, 2013 (10:07 am)
This morning saw a typical looking older driver in an Escalade pull right out in front of a DeLorean (!) that was cruising up a 35mph arterial. How did the bastard not see a DeLorean? Luckily, the smaller car was enable to maneuver around the motorized obesity that should require a license endorsement to operate.
Also saw a young woman in a Tesla S with a phone to her ear - pretty sure those have Bluetooth standard. Should be a nice 4 figure fine for even the first offense. I bet that's not bootstrap wealth at play...
#21583 of 22403 Re: Rotaries, not Roundabouts. [elias]
Mar 26, 2013 (10:10 am)
Hey look kids, there's Big Ben, there's Parliament!
Mar 27, 2013 (5:51 pm)
Two winner yappers today - both late model (LED) Audis, one an A8, both execudrone drivers with phones to their ear. I know these cars have standard bluetooth. Should be 50x the normal fine - but of course, when the primary law is unenforced to begin with,that's moot.
Also saw a likely timid small middle aged woman in a previous gen Explorer Limited, 32-35 in a 40, following at maybe 5 car lengths, line of cars behind her, and every few seconds adding maybe a foot to that following distance. Bottleneck. Vehicular pylon, and another one who should not be allowed to drive something of that mass and sight-blocking size.
And the jerk. Infiniti FX with that horrible Nissan V6 drone, going about 50 in a 30.
Topped it off with more moronic negligent unjustifiable light sequencing. Those "engineers" sure earn their healthy incomes and nice pensions when they retire before the real working world.
#21585 of 22403 Re: Roundabouts? [backy]
Mar 27, 2013 (9:18 pm)
I guess you don't believe in Utilitarianism.
Emergency vehicles will not be significantly impacted in my opinion, but 99% of cars will experience faster commute times.
Yes, we'll have to add a few pages to the DMV driver's training handbook, which by the way, needs to be re-written.
#21586 of 22403 Re: . [fintail]
Mar 28, 2013 (9:38 am)
Hahaha; fin, I thought you said your E350 was mellowing you out?
#21587 of 22403 Re: . [xwesx]
Mar 28, 2013 (10:18 am)
With the slow (physically and mentally) drivers around here, I think people running on foot in traffic lanes could get road rage