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Jan 19, 2013 (9:18 am)
No harm, no foul.
This time, there will be a time when that type of driving will cause some issue.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:25 am)
Make any phone inputs/holding while in motion a violation. Syncing to bluetooth,
The wifes car won't allow syncing while in motion. Tried it once (wife was driving) and it gave me a warning and would go further.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:26 am)
All the comments about people driving without their lights on makes me think that'll be the next NHTSA requirement.
It makes me think that he has awfully strict requirements for when lights have to be on.
#21281 of 22403 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [snakeweasel]
Jan 19, 2013 (10:16 am)
What's subjective to you might not be subjective to others. I'll take that as your opinion and leave it there
For the speed bumps, kind of a random anecdote, but easy to see, a residential area with a street used as a cut through is not hard to realize. I often visit a neighborhood, planned in the 60s, with wide streets, and huge gaps between cross streets. Some of these streets are used as primary routes for residents deeper in the development to reach the arterial that connects to commerce. I could easily get my car to 100++ and back between stop signs. There are speed bumps every 5-6 houses or so, to keep the speed demons at bay. Makes sense.
And about lights, yes I have strict demands - dark = lights. I know, for the lowest common denominator allowed on the road, it can be tough. We shouldn't be looking for ways to make driving *less* demanding than it already is. If one can't manage headlight operation, they likely fail in other regards, too.
#21282 of 22403 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (11:27 am)
I'll take that as your opinion and leave it there
One of the reasons we have a court system is that different people have different ideals of what is "reasonable". So it is hardley an opinion.
For the speed bumps, kind of a random anecdote
It may be random but it proves the point. I could give other examples but the point is the same, peoples opinion of what is right or wrong or "reasonable" can change greatly when given more facts.
And about lights, yes I have strict demands - dark = lights.
Again the term dark is subjective. When does "dark" happen? right at sunset? After civile twilight? Or after Nautical twilight? Near sunset if it is cloudy? When does it get Dark?
Tonight Nautucal twilight ends at 5:56 and I would say that yes that is dark, but Civil twilight is at 5:22 with sunset being at 4:51.Now presuming that the skies are clear is 4:50 light but 4:52 dark? Or would 5:22 be dark?
I know people that say that as soon as the sun sets it's dark out, I am not one of those are you?
#21283 of 22403 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [snakeweasel]
Jan 19, 2013 (11:39 am)
And not everything is subjective, so I will again take your opinion and tangental stories and leave it at that.
Tonight here (and not clear, as it seldom is in winter), sunset is at 4:50, with civil twilight at 5:25. I will be out after that twilight, and I am certain I will see "drivers" (sarcastic quotes) without headlights on. And not the stubborn and contrarian who wish to play semantics games, but people who simply are out of it enough to be unable to remember to turn on the lights. I am pretty sure the laws here state a "half hour after sunset", twilight times being (like so many distractions brought here) irrelevant.
#21284 of 22403 Re: . [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (12:01 pm)
And about texting, see what I said before - cameras.
Cameras are the answer, eh? Ok then. But realize they will also be used to enforce other laws, not just phone use/texting... such as running red lights.
#21285 of 22403 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (12:06 pm)
And not everything is subjective,
True not everything is sugjective. However if it cannot be quantified and is vague it is subjective. "Reasonable" is subjective, no if's and's or but's.
Stating that a speed limit on a street is 45 MPH is not subjective, it is a fact. The statement that the SL is to low/to fast/just right is subjective.
Same thing with darkness. right now it is bright outside but in 5 hours it will be dark out. there will be a time between now and then when it won't be bright but it won't be dark out. It will gradually go from bright to dark. So where along that line does it get dark?
Now if you would have given a measurement as how many lumens then that wouldn't be subjective, but dark is as you cannot measure it and it is vague.
#21286 of 22403 Re: . [backy]
Jan 19, 2013 (12:26 pm)
So long as light cameras are actually used in justifiable ways (ie: no shortening of yellows or weird sequencing etc), not such a big deal. Not to mention, cameras in squad cars and cameras on fixed posts aren't entirely identical.
#21287 of 22403 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [snakeweasel]
Jan 19, 2013 (12:32 pm)
And whether or not a SL was too slow/fast/right is irrelevant to this particular discussion. No "if's, and's, or but's".
Nothing vague about a half an hour, sorry. 30 is a pretty concrete quantifiable number.
Keep throwing in red herrings and distractions, speaks volumes.
Just keep right.