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#21275 of 22395 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (8:59 am)
There's nothing subjective about reasonable speeds on the road in question,
It is very subjective, what you consider is a reasonable speed may not be reasonable to someone else. If you get more information why a certain speed limit is set the way it is you might change your mind as to what is a reasonable speed. In short you could very well be wrong.
There is no circular argument here.
The one way share the road ideal is that everyone should make way for the slow/timid/scared/inept, not that those slow people ever have to make way for those actually driving.
I am not advocating any one way share the road mentality. What I am saying is that is one person says one thing and another says another thing one (or both) have to be wrong. What I am saying is try to understand why someone may think that a different speed is reasonable, you may learn new truths.
Which brings me back to my speed bump question. Is it reasonable to have 9 speed bumps in under a mile through a residential neighborhood? Such a situation exists and the kids live just off that street. One day they and some of their neighbors were complaining about those spped bumps and didn't see the need for them and were wondering what they could do to get the city to remove them.
Then I pointed out the rational for all those speed bumps. Just to the east of this neighborhood was an Interstate highway and just to the south was another Interstate highway. During rush hour (espcially the mornings) the east bound Interstate slows to a craw and the exit to get onto the north bound Interstate is even slower.
Now there is a way to avoid that traffic and that is to take the east bound Interstates frontage road and follow it as it turns north and go north until you cab get on the north bound Interstate. Now the problem is that while as a frontage road it goes through a commercial area but once it turns north it goes through that little less than a mile of residential street.
All those speed bumps are in place to discourage people from using that route as a rat line to avoid traffic and to slow down the ones that are not discouraged. Without those speed bumps there would be a lot more and faster traffic going through that neighborhood. Now they understand why those speed bumps are there and they don't complain.
So the point of this is that until they saw the rational for the speed bumps they thought it was unreasonable to have them.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:04 am)
I was traveling at and above the posted speed limit in an area with no signs for "Slower traffic keep right
Well if you are on a limited access highway and not passing or about to use an exit on the left (rare but they do exist) then it is keep right except to pass.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:12 am)
Remember I had just come through a dangerous, narrowed lane, and uneven construction area where the speed limit is and should be 45 and the traffic is moved to the temporary opposing lanes.
May I ask, were the lines dividing the lanes a solid white line? and/or was the lane to the right of you at a different level than your lane?
Jan 19, 2013 (9:18 am)
No harm, no foul.
This time, there will be a time when that type of driving will cause some issue.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:25 am)
Make any phone inputs/holding while in motion a violation. Syncing to bluetooth,
The wifes car won't allow syncing while in motion. Tried it once (wife was driving) and it gave me a warning and would go further.
Jan 19, 2013 (9:26 am)
All the comments about people driving without their lights on makes me think that'll be the next NHTSA requirement.
It makes me think that he has awfully strict requirements for when lights have to be on.
#21281 of 22395 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [snakeweasel]
Jan 19, 2013 (10:16 am)
What's subjective to you might not be subjective to others. I'll take that as your opinion and leave it there
For the speed bumps, kind of a random anecdote, but easy to see, a residential area with a street used as a cut through is not hard to realize. I often visit a neighborhood, planned in the 60s, with wide streets, and huge gaps between cross streets. Some of these streets are used as primary routes for residents deeper in the development to reach the arterial that connects to commerce. I could easily get my car to 100++ and back between stop signs. There are speed bumps every 5-6 houses or so, to keep the speed demons at bay. Makes sense.
And about lights, yes I have strict demands - dark = lights. I know, for the lowest common denominator allowed on the road, it can be tough. We shouldn't be looking for ways to make driving *less* demanding than it already is. If one can't manage headlight operation, they likely fail in other regards, too.
#21282 of 22395 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (11:27 am)
I'll take that as your opinion and leave it there
One of the reasons we have a court system is that different people have different ideals of what is "reasonable". So it is hardley an opinion.
For the speed bumps, kind of a random anecdote
It may be random but it proves the point. I could give other examples but the point is the same, peoples opinion of what is right or wrong or "reasonable" can change greatly when given more facts.
And about lights, yes I have strict demands - dark = lights.
Again the term dark is subjective. When does "dark" happen? right at sunset? After civile twilight? Or after Nautical twilight? Near sunset if it is cloudy? When does it get Dark?
Tonight Nautucal twilight ends at 5:56 and I would say that yes that is dark, but Civil twilight is at 5:22 with sunset being at 4:51.Now presuming that the skies are clear is 4:50 light but 4:52 dark? Or would 5:22 be dark?
I know people that say that as soon as the sun sets it's dark out, I am not one of those are you?
#21283 of 22395 Re: Idea: let's take the "in" out of "inconsiderate" [snakeweasel]
Jan 19, 2013 (11:39 am)
And not everything is subjective, so I will again take your opinion and tangental stories and leave it at that.
Tonight here (and not clear, as it seldom is in winter), sunset is at 4:50, with civil twilight at 5:25. I will be out after that twilight, and I am certain I will see "drivers" (sarcastic quotes) without headlights on. And not the stubborn and contrarian who wish to play semantics games, but people who simply are out of it enough to be unable to remember to turn on the lights. I am pretty sure the laws here state a "half hour after sunset", twilight times being (like so many distractions brought here) irrelevant.
#21284 of 22395 Re: . [fintail]
Jan 19, 2013 (12:01 pm)
And about texting, see what I said before - cameras.
Cameras are the answer, eh? Ok then. But realize they will also be used to enforce other laws, not just phone use/texting... such as running red lights.