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#19083 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [fintail] by xrunner2

Aug 01, 2012 (7:08 pm)

Replying to: fintail (Aug 01, 2012 6:56 pm)
If the flow of traffic is 80-85, then the LLC is the danger.
 
Reread my post. I have no love for LLCs, but they are a far less danger than those going 15-20 over who try and intimidate the LLCs by tailgating at one car length. They are both wrong, but the intimidator speeder is the far bigger danger.

#19084 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [xrunner2] by fintail

Aug 01, 2012 (7:25 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 01, 2012 7:08 pm)
I read your post. Said nothing about the flow of traffic, which is why I used "if".

#19086 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [fintail] by xrunner2

Aug 02, 2012 (5:52 am)

Replying to: fintail (Aug 01, 2012 7:25 pm)
I read your post. Said nothing about the flow of traffic, which is why I used "if".
 
"Flow" was 60ish in the right lane and 65 plus in the left. So majority, or "flow", was in 60 to high 60's range. The out of the norm, outlier, was the driver coming up much faster 80 in the left lane. He was not the flow. He was above it. He then becomes the intimidator, who will then ride on the bumper of the left lane car so that he can go 15-20 over. He is the dangerous one, the one that wants to go much faster than the "flow".

#19087 of 21749 Re: The other problem with Slow Drivers [backy] by andres3

Aug 02, 2012 (9:46 am)

Replying to: backy (Aug 01, 2012 5:24 pm)
Because of sheer traffic volume in most cities, and because of idiots who swerve between lanes and do other stupid and inconsiderate things other than LLCing.
 
I think the sheer volume of traffic builds up and gets exponentially worse from LLC's and MLC's. Other drivers get frustrated from the LLCing and then do stupid and inconsiderate things to try and maneuver around the campers.
The chaos builds and builds and builds until you have hardly any movement at all; which all could have been avoided with proper lane guidance, avoidance, courtesy, and discipline.

#19088 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [xrunner2] by andres3

Aug 02, 2012 (9:52 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 01, 2012 6:38 pm)
15-20 over? That was both illegal and reckless.
 
You got it all backwards. If the speed limit is 55 or 65, then 15-20 is far from reckless. And some courts would argue it isn't "illegal" since it's not a misdemeanor anymore, but an "infraction." At least, thats the argument they use to take away due process and civil liberties granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
 
slow down to 65 and hang on the LLC bumper trying to intimidate him to move over
 
If someone comes up behind you 15 to 20 MPH faster than your going you have plenty of time to move over and not create a LLC disturbance to the universe. There is no reason your situational awareness should be so poor as to cause the guy coming from behind to slow down. Now your guilty of two things, LLCing, and being unaware of your surroundings and failing to scan the road in all directions around you.
 
Tailgating cannnot occur without a LLC or MLC, cause and effect. Now, if someone's trying to go 40 over the speed limit, that might require some braking and allowance for tailgating from the fast driver.
 
P.S. No one should be going the "speed limit" in the left most lane if there are more than 2 lanes in one direction in the first place.

#19089 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [xrunner2] by andres3

Aug 02, 2012 (9:56 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 02, 2012 5:52 am)
"flow".
 
The flow is often incorrectly low and caused by an LLCer for maybe a group of cars (anywhere from 3 to 20 cars can cause a "flow," as you put it; depending on the amount of lanes).
 
If a driver isn't a lame duck and lemming, he will scan further ahead than everyone else, and be frustrated by the fact that absent these 3 to 20 cars in front of me in a pack of slowpokes side by side blocking every lane, there is a mile of clear road ahead, and the cars a mile ahead are doing 10-15 over the speed limit like they are supposed to. The distance between your pack and the next increases with the amount of time it takes you to navigate through the LLC MLC blockage.
 
This is the real world scenario in most freeway situations in CA.

#19090 of 21749 Re: Did I mention that [xrunner2] by andres3

Aug 02, 2012 (10:09 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Aug 01, 2012 7:08 pm)
I disagree with you on the speeder and tailgater being more dangerous than the LLCer. Without the LLCer you can't have tailgating (99% of the time).
 
The real danger is the LLCer, because forcing cars to pass on the right is far more dangerous than passing on the left. The speed differentials discussed earlier is one reason why. Theoretically, every lane to the left should be going slightly faster than the lane to the right. Why is that so hard for American's to understand and execute?
 
Also, forcing cars rightward sometimes requires multiple lane changes (MLC's too combine with LLC's), and then you have fast moving traffic merging with the slowest right most traffic.
 
It is far safer for everyone if all passing occurs on the left, in predictable fashion. The LLCer is basically forcing cars to pass on the right, causing congestion of the rightward lanes, which can lead to far more dangerious scenarios and situations.

#19091 of 21749 Re: There are two types of us [steve_] by victor23

Aug 02, 2012 (10:12 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 01, 2012 5:44 pm)
So, the take home lessons are:
 
1. Skilled, considerate professionals (drivers, skiers) wreck and get hurt too.
2. Running even well-groomed intermediate runs, even at not that fast speed, even conservatively, even wearing a helmet, or even just standing at the top with an instructor, still carries a chance of a wreck, injury, and even death. Even if you are skilled and considerate. (Just imagine if you are not.)
 
Skiing and driving are risky businesses by their nature. Nobody is immune. Maybe we don't need helmets after all? Too much obsession with safety makes the society a hospital.
 
Right?

#19092 of 21749 Re: There are two types of us [victor23] by steve_ HOST

Aug 02, 2012 (10:18 am)

Replying to: victor23 (Aug 02, 2012 10:12 am)
Yep, that's why I never leave my recliner.
 
Y'all be careful out there.

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