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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [210delray] by euphonium
Nov 06, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 05, 2009 5:43 pm)

As far as insurance coverage is concerned it is enough that a witness saw the car involved & identified it because Liability insurance follows the car, not the driver.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [euphonium] by 210delray
Nov 06, 2009 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Nov 06, 2009 8:55 am)

Logically it would seem so, but the judge here in VA didn't buy it. Maybe our laws differ from Oregon's?
 
On a similar note, my 2004 Camry was involved in a hit-and-run in the middle of the night (no witnesses) while my son had it for several months in Los Angeles. He had his own insurance policy, because my company wouldn't insure cars kept in California, even though we never transferred the title.
 
Long story short, his insurance company regarded the $4,000+ damage as a collision claim and wouldn't pay the $1,000 deductible. I thought it should have been covered as an uninsured motorist claim, but their defense is that because the perpetrator's identity was unknown ("ghost driver"), they don't know with 100% certainty that another driver was involved in the first place.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [euphonium] by xwesx
Nov 06, 2009 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Nov 06, 2009 8:55 am)

I am not sure how Alaska would handle it. It makes perfect intuitive sense that collision/comprehensive insurance follows the car. Liability insurance, I think, should follow the driver as it is drivers, not cars, that are liable. Alaska considers the liability insurance to follow the car (which is why I have to pay liability insurance for multiple vehicles even though I can only drive one at a time). In my opinion, any licensed driver should be required to have liability insurance, which is a single fee for that person and covers any collision caused by that individual, regardless of vehicle driven.
 
In this case, I think the coverage on the vehicle driven by the perpetrator should have covered the damages. If the owner was not driving, then it would be up to her and her insurance company to pursue damages from that individual independently of the restitution to the victim.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [xwesx] by euphonium
Nov 06, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 06, 2009 10:12 am)

Most up to date states require the Liability follow the car as there are non owner drivers who borrow vehicles.
 
  As for the phantom car causing the damage, that's what the Underinsured Motorist Property Damage clause covers. However, the deductible is when the at fault, hit & run, phantom vehicle is eventually identified, the UMPD collision drops down to $100 from $500.
 
UM Bodily Injury does NOT cover the vehicle.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [euphonium] by xwesx
Nov 06, 2009 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Nov 06, 2009 2:59 pm)

Most up to date states require the Liability follow the car as there are non owner drivers who borrow vehicles.
 
That's true, but if it were required that all licensed drivers carry liability insurance, that would be a non-issue.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [euphonium] by elias
Nov 07, 2009 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Nov 06, 2009 2:59 pm)

euphy, as far as i understand, the underinsured motorist coverage only kicks in when the other motorist is identified and does not have adequate insurance.
also i understand that a car that gets crunched while parked, with no witness and no driver identified, it will be covered under insurance *comprehensive* claim just the same as random vandalism, fire, theft. and the comprehensive deductible would apply.
caveat: i rarely have had to file insurance claims and it's been decades since i had to file one like that discussed here ( after my forensic analysis indicated that my 1985 Z28 was "nicked" or "kissed" by an MBTA bus, all the way down the drivers side. the bus had plastic side-panels but it was a big-$ bodywork/repaint. ) so my info could be way out of date and not apply to states other than MA, back when the MA insurance industry was state-controlled.
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Re: someone want to run over my Outback? [elias] by 210delray
Nov 07, 2009 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: elias (Nov 07, 2009 6:54 am)

also i understand that a car that gets crunched while parked, with no witness and no driver identified, it will be covered under insurance *comprehensive* claim just the same as random vandalism, fire, theft. and the comprehensive deductible would apply.
 
That's what happened to my car in Los Angeles, but the insurance company covered it as a collision claim, so I was out $1000, not the $500 it would have been for comprehensive. (As you can guess, insurance for my then-24-year-old unmarried son was very high in L.A., so the high deductibles were chosen to lower the overall cost).
 
However, if you hit a deer (as I did a number of years ago) or other animal, the damage is covered under comprehensive.
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inconsiderate driver of last week / max out those insurance deductibles by elias
Nov 08, 2009 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (Nov 07, 2009 8:56 pm)

210 ray, that is lame alright. sounds like your insurance company sux. there's one that is head and tails above the rest: amica . also in case you did not already consider it: maybe good idea to make all your deductibles be the same - 1000 sounds good - maxxing the deductible is a good idea - lots of tiny/small claims are an invitation for rate increases.
 
inconsiderate driver of the week , a leftlane gator, zigzaggers, "punish" the other driver type by intentionally cuting off - or drifting way into other person's lane.
pickup truck guy intentionally drifted into my lane, would have occupied my TDI's hood's space but was so tall that he didn't PIT maneuver himself across 2 lanes of 65 mph traffic.
it's amazing how aggressively those kind of aggressive drivers will act when I'm driving TDI compared to GTO, even when I drive exactly the same steady-state speed & with exact same consideration for other drivers. slightly different acceleration, of course.
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Almost more than inconsiderate... by tjc78
Nov 08, 2009 (7:29 am)
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Schuylkill Expressway (just outside Philly) yesterday cruising along at about 65-70 (55 zone) traffic bunches up around an entrance ramp... naturally everyone slams on their brakes. I had to stop fairly hard, but nothing too close (anti-lock didn't kick in) all of a sudden out of no where a gold Mitsu comes flying up on my right tires all locked up and almost side swiped me. Obviously following too close and had to swerve into the right lane to avoid hitting the guy behind me. My GF almost had a heart attack!
 
Why must people follow so darn close to one another at highway speed? The best part of this... a few miles later a 4 or 5 car pile up happened behind us. All this for a day of Christmas shopping at the Lancaster outlets
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Hit the trifecta yesterday by snakeweasel
Nov 08, 2009 (8:51 am)
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It was such a beautiful day yesterday that I loaded up my hybrid bike to take to the trails. Getting about a block or two from my home still on the side streets I came on someone backing out of their driveway not looking. I had to stop as this guy backed all the way into the street without seeing me.
 
Second is when I got on the the expressway and got in the left lane following someone going a bit slow. When they merged over and I went to pass they speed up, I guess I wasn't supposed to pass them.
 
Final one was on the way home. Driving down a secondary street near my house that opened up to two lanes in each direction for a couple of blocks when the right lane becomes a right turn only lane. I was in the left lane and there was a car in front of me in the right lane going to make a right turn. Well I noticed some clown in an SUV running in the right lane real fast. He got next to me (and a little in front) and tried to merge. Of course almost hitting me, the car making the right turn and the car in front of me (I was rather close simply because traffic was going about 20 MPH).

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