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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by tjc78
Nov 02, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 02, 2009 2:05 pm)

I suspect that Montana is more like Alaska than any other state in the union; well, except they have far more roads and much higher speed limits
 
I couldn't believe that the two laners are posted at 70 and the once limit-less highways are at 75. There is a whole lot of nothing. I was traveling between two towns on the highway about 80 miles, cruise on 84 mph and never touched the pedals. Just a wee bit different than Jersey
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by jensad
Nov 02, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 12:37 pm)

Hate to say it steve, but Idaho sounds abit like the Bay Area of Berkeley Ca.
 
My wife is up in Idaho Falls at a Del Monte conference. When she calls tonite, I'll tell her to look for 3 llamas but if I do, she will think I am more nuts then she thought!!
 
Also thanks to all for your comments about my work endeavors.
 
Good luck to all and stay safe.
 
jensad
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Re: mild spacing out [jensad] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: jensad (Nov 02, 2009 3:41 pm)

Just found the Idaho stats - we have 18,435 miles of asphalt roads and 13,262 miles of gravel.
 
For those who don't get the Chena River reference, every year it freezes over and people drive over it in one (or two?) spots as a shortcut. And every year a car or two breaks through the ice.
 
Unless they've fenced off the shortcuts finally xwesx?
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 02, 2009 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

No, people still drive over it. Even when it is "fenced off," people still go over, through, or around the barricades. The ice roads are actually not overly unsafe; it is when people drive off the roads and go up or down river that it can be a problem. Due to heat pollution, there are many spots on the river that have thin ice and/or open water depending on the ambient temperatures, so you really must know the river to safely take a vehicle on it.
 
Add to that the typically deep snow pack that covers the ice, and it can make for a challenging set of conditions.
 
For the longest time (or so I hear), University Avenue did not include a bridge over the Chena River. The road simply ended on each side of the shore. In the summer, drivers had to go all the way through Fairbanks to use the Cushman Street bridge in order to access the other side. During winter, they could drive over the river. The installation of a power plant in Fairbanks put an end to that, though, as the ice never gets thick enough to support a vehicle now. I am not sure when the bridge was installed, probably sometime in the early 70s, but it was a long time before I moved here.
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 02, 2009 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

Where did you find that information regarding Idaho road surfaces?
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by imidazol97
Nov 02, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

>For those who don't get the Chena River reference, every year it freezes over and people drive over it in one (or two?) spots as a shortcut. And every year a car or two breaks through the ice.
 
Sort of like "Ice Road Truckers"!!!!!
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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by british_rover
Nov 02, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 02, 2009 5:19 pm)

Good chance the Idaho Transportation department has that info. If not them then maybe the Federal DOT does.
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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2009 (6:09 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 02, 2009 5:19 pm)

I got that info from this link. Took some digging to find it.
 
Local Highway Technical Assistance Council
 
It's probably at the DOT somewhere too like Brit says.
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 03, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 6:09 pm)

Fantastic. Thanks, fellas! Alaska DOT did have the information you listed (but for Alaska). Pretty striking numbers, really.
 
One can pretty much guarantee that close to 100% of the "unkown" roads are gravel or less...
 
So, in the entire state of Alaska, there are 15329 miles of public roads. Of those, ~32% are paved. Just over 15,000 miles of road within an area of 586,412 square miles. Heck, we have over twice as many miles of shoreline as we do roads.
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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by snakeweasel
Nov 03, 2009 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 03, 2009 10:50 am)

Gee that's almost 140 feet of road per square mile. Chicago, on the other hand, has 21.5 miles of road per square mile (about 4,300 miles of road in about 200 square miles).

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