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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by tjc78
Nov 02, 2009 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 02, 2009 12:50 pm)

I can't imagine driving on a gravel road
 
Being from NJ I didn't even know we still had gravel roads in this country. I was in Montana (Helena area) and went to dinner with my customer and was stunned when we drove about a half hour on a gravel road complete with a route# and S/L signs!
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Re: mild spacing out [tjc78] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2009 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Nov 02, 2009 1:26 pm)

Guess it was Michigan I was thinking about.
 
"It takes about $10,000 to grind up a mile of pavement and put down gravel. It takes more than $100,000 to repave a mile of road."
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by british_rover
Nov 02, 2009 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 12:46 pm)

Yeah I think I saw something about Michigan doing the same thing for some of the rural roads there.
 
It makes sense in lesser traveled areas to do that especially with the frost heaves you get in that part of the country.
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 02, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 1:10 pm)

Yeah; it is finally getting chilly here. Last night was our first below-zero night of the season! It is amazing that we are into November before that happened, but I'll take it!
 
At least the gal was rescued and nobody came away with any serious injuries. Not as foolish as the guy who jumped into a geyser to save his dog - that one didn't turn out so well.
 
I was joking regarding the gravel road comment - most of the roads in Alaska are gravel. I have not been in New Jersey more than a couple of hours in my life, but given the level of urbanization there, I would not be surprised if gravel was a rare surface. I suspect that Montana is more like Alaska than any other state in the union; well, except they have far more roads and much higher speed limits.
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Re: mild spacing out [xwesx] by tjc78
Nov 02, 2009 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: xwesx (Nov 02, 2009 2:05 pm)

I suspect that Montana is more like Alaska than any other state in the union; well, except they have far more roads and much higher speed limits
 
I couldn't believe that the two laners are posted at 70 and the once limit-less highways are at 75. There is a whole lot of nothing. I was traveling between two towns on the highway about 80 miles, cruise on 84 mph and never touched the pedals. Just a wee bit different than Jersey
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by jensad
Nov 02, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 12:37 pm)

Hate to say it steve, but Idaho sounds abit like the Bay Area of Berkeley Ca.
 
My wife is up in Idaho Falls at a Del Monte conference. When she calls tonite, I'll tell her to look for 3 llamas but if I do, she will think I am more nuts then she thought!!
 
Also thanks to all for your comments about my work endeavors.
 
Good luck to all and stay safe.
 
jensad
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Re: mild spacing out [jensad] by steve_ HOST
Nov 02, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: jensad (Nov 02, 2009 3:41 pm)

Just found the Idaho stats - we have 18,435 miles of asphalt roads and 13,262 miles of gravel.
 
For those who don't get the Chena River reference, every year it freezes over and people drive over it in one (or two?) spots as a shortcut. And every year a car or two breaks through the ice.
 
Unless they've fenced off the shortcuts finally xwesx?
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 02, 2009 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

No, people still drive over it. Even when it is "fenced off," people still go over, through, or around the barricades. The ice roads are actually not overly unsafe; it is when people drive off the roads and go up or down river that it can be a problem. Due to heat pollution, there are many spots on the river that have thin ice and/or open water depending on the ambient temperatures, so you really must know the river to safely take a vehicle on it.
 
Add to that the typically deep snow pack that covers the ice, and it can make for a challenging set of conditions.
 
For the longest time (or so I hear), University Avenue did not include a bridge over the Chena River. The road simply ended on each side of the shore. In the summer, drivers had to go all the way through Fairbanks to use the Cushman Street bridge in order to access the other side. During winter, they could drive over the river. The installation of a power plant in Fairbanks put an end to that, though, as the ice never gets thick enough to support a vehicle now. I am not sure when the bridge was installed, probably sometime in the early 70s, but it was a long time before I moved here.
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by xwesx
Nov 02, 2009 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

Where did you find that information regarding Idaho road surfaces?
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Re: mild spacing out [steve_] by imidazol97
Nov 02, 2009 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm)

>For those who don't get the Chena River reference, every year it freezes over and people drive over it in one (or two?) spots as a shortcut. And every year a car or two breaks through the ice.
 
Sort of like "Ice Road Truckers"!!!!!

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