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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#943 of 4724 element in 2003 honda brochure
Sep 16, 2002 (5:25 pm)
Honda put a 2 page section of the prototype element in the back of their 2003 Honda cars and trucks brochure.
a full pager on the left of element crossing a bridge with a waterfall in the back
and a second page with 5 pics and a description calling it a "mega-functional adventure tool"
it has an over head shot of the skylight with the 2 passenger seats below
and another shot with a kayak inside on the passenger side
and then just pics most of us have already seen
Sep 16, 2002 (7:54 pm)
I wish Honda Spocket had made it into production. Another of Honda's gasoline-electric hybrid showcase (1999 Tokyo Motor Show).
Sep 17, 2002 (9:14 am)
diploid: lots of folks here are picky, in fact they seek out the Town Hall just to complain, or vent, if you will.
You can't argue with the interior space and versatility the Odyssey offers, period. No wonder there are wait lists. People will deal with whatever issue comes up and still love their vans. Reliability is just one factor, and to some owners not even the most important one.
The Spocket looks too impractical. The Del Sol never caught on, why would this, minus the Targa? Scissors doors weight a ton, and combined with the weight of the battery pack it would handle like a dog.
#946 of 4724 Scissor doors
Sep 17, 2002 (9:42 am)
Why would scissor doors weigh any more than a regular door?
Aren't they basically the same, only hinged vertically instead of horizontally?
Sep 17, 2002 (10:15 am)
Would be more practical than DelSol. Small Pickup bed with coupe like performance.
Honda uses small electric motors to keep weight dowm (unlike Toyota's system), so the battery pack isn't too heavy either. And in Spocket, it is placed under the bed, close to the wheels that it drives. It could make for a good handling car.
Sep 17, 2002 (10:26 am)
You'd need not only sturdier hinges, but also some type of spring loaded mechanism to help you lift those doors. A strut might block access.
That the type of concept feature that never makes production on down-to-earth priced cars.
I prefer the Chevy Borrego concept, basically a WRX with a pickup bed, and 250hp to boot.
Sep 17, 2002 (11:09 am)
Dangit, I know they probably won't trickle down to us regular folks.
I just love unusual doors like gull wings and scissors, and nobody bothers with them except $800,000,000,000,000,000 supercars.
Sep 17, 2002 (1:20 pm)
BMW's Z1 had mini-doors that rolled down into the body. Another high-priced exotic that never even made it here. Maybe the doors were too expensive, LOL.
#951 of 4724 Scissors Wings
Sep 17, 2002 (7:35 pm)
One of those things that could have changed with production version, as would the interior.
Concepts rarely get into production as is, but I liked the concept behind Spocket. Different, but not any more though. Think of it as a mini-version of Avalanche.
Sep 17, 2002 (7:41 pm)
I am surprised at the special parts that the Element got. A Honda mole at TCC mentioned that it did not share a single part from the CRV. I was skeptical. From a part inventory control viewpoint you would think they would have to use the same parts. Apparently not according to AutoWeek. Honda was pretty serious about the commitment to this low volume unit. It also could mean the product roadmap definitely includes more variants of the Element chassis to justify the new parts. It also means that the drivetrain is technically unproven. And there may be confusion in the servicing the Element with parts that look similar to CRV parts.
ps Autoweek was a great magazine subscription for me until Canada Post turned it into AutoLastMonth.