Last post on Jul 06, 2012 at 5:27 PM
You are in the Honda Element
What is this discussion about?
Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#4475 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [justjimmy3]
Jul 25, 2006 (11:28 am)
I don't remember where I read it, but the 2007's are all (not just the "street" version) supposed to be coming with the 5 speed automatic, with side curtain airbags, and with the seats that have the shoulder harness attachment point on the seat instead of on the door, so you can open the rear suicide door without detaching your seat belt. These are all significant upgrades.
I am not sure whether they are going to include ESP (stability control) like on the CR-V, but it sure needs it, on the Honda consumer test drive course last year I almost tipped one over zipping around traffic cones, it plowed and rolled a lot. Of course neither I nor most people usually drive like that!
#4476 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [justjimmy3]
Jul 25, 2006 (11:47 am)
Element is unconventional, so the alternatives tend to be slightly more conventional models that are otherwise similar.
Those include Honda's own CR-V, the RAV4 4 cylinder, and the Forester non-turbo models, especially the LL Bean since it has a similar uncarpeted cargo area.
Outside the small crossover class, you might even include the Matrix for its plastic cargo area. Or even the Toyota FJ Cruiser, for the suicide style doors.
Nowadays people cross-shop all over the place, so don't be surprised if people also consider a Prius and a Vespa.
Jul 25, 2006 (10:18 pm)
We are seriously considering purchasing an Element for reasons some consider to be the "negatives". We have 19 month old twins. The passenger leg space is tremendous..lots of room for toys, etc! The functioning of the doors, we consider a safety-plus. I do not want my boys getting out of the E or any other car without our assistance. We immediately turn to open our passenger doors whenever we leave our autos to get the boys..sometimes when they are not with us..so automatic. I also see the durable interior very child friendly. The clam shell rear doors will work for us too. If we need to change a diaper while traveling and the cargo area is packed, we can change on the tailgate like we do with our Titan. In our Pathfinder, we would have to clear an area of the cargo in order to do this. I personally think it is a great car for kids...
#4478 of 4724 Re: boogey1, seat comfort [goltgo]
Jul 26, 2006 (10:27 am)
The driver's seat has a height adjuster on the left side, the first thing I do when I get in the Element is to raise the seat as high as possible. But I think it's still not high enough, and I am 5'10".
#4479 of 4724 seat height
Jul 26, 2006 (11:39 am)
extech2 - Yeah, we jacked the seat up all the way in all three. There was still a noticeable difference with the one that won out. My mom still has to sit on an aftermarket seat cushion. She's about 5'3".
#4480 of 4724 Re: Kids and an Element [johnsontwins]
Jul 26, 2006 (4:13 pm)
The Element is a great car for kids in some aspects - roomy for the price, the easy clean interior.
It has draw backs though in that the suicide doors can be a pain. For the same reason many families do not consider coupes as daily drivers, the suicide doors are a limitation and seem better suited to infrequent back seat use. They are better than a coupe but you have to contend with them. You will notice the back seat is LOW for adults - again not a problem for kids.
At least on the new SC 2007 "urban" Element the need to take off the front seat belt to get at the rear doors has been resolved. My understanding is that the rest of the Elements still have the suicide door design issue with the front seat belt. Not an issue with little kids though and some parents like the added safety of being in control of when kids leave the vehicle.
So the doors killed it for me and the lack of a telescoping wheel.
I was initially very enthusiastic about an Element as a family vehicle but ended up getting an Odyssey which is much much more practical for our family. My kids are 2 years and 6 months. The Ody also lacks a telescoping wheel but the model we purchased did have power pedals and the Ody has generally more front leg room.
The Ody lacks the funky cool of the Element and is not as aggresively priced.
The Element is not a crazy choice. It is fun and well priced. Just know what you are getting into before you take the plunge.
#4481 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [ateixeira]
Jul 27, 2006 (6:30 am)
Thanks for your response. I appreciate the broad range of choices that are out there. A few things that most interest me is versility and mpg - one of which the Element provides. Most of my driving is in-town so the 16-18 mpg ave concerns me.
Looks like the '07 may help that somewhat.
#4482 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [justjimmy3]
Jul 27, 2006 (6:37 am)
"Most of my driving is in-town so the 16-18 mpg ave concerns me"
That is odd...my wife's '06 4wd, automatic is getting 23mpg consistently in town. I took it on a highway run last weekend to pick up 3 pieces of furniture 140 miles away (280 mi round trip). I got 26mpg with it loaded down with a dresser, 2 end tables, and a large framed mirror on board. It currently has 3,500 miles on the clock.
#4483 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [1racefan]
Jul 27, 2006 (8:58 am)
Yes, that is odd. I've looked on MANY posts regarding gas mileage and the great majority report 16-18 city mileage.
As a mater of fact, there is a post on Edmunds that specifically talks about gas mileage for the Element that discusses in detail mpg across many members.
I'm going to check it out again.
#4484 of 4724 Re: Any other "Element" type vehicles out there? [justjimmy3]
Jul 27, 2006 (11:23 am)
I would think that is people really are only getting 16-18mpg in the city, there must be more to the story than meets the eye. My wife drives the car during the week, and I typically take it and fill it up on Saturday. When she drives, she doesn't exactly strive to acheive the highest fuel mileage if you know what I mean - and still manages to get 23.