Last post on Jul 06, 2012 at 5:27 PM
You are in the Honda Element
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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#4024 of 4724 Re: 2006 element [allfiredup]
Sep 22, 2005 (8:09 am)
There has been discussion that maybe the reason Honda is not incorporating side curtain airbags is because it is hard to mount them due to the design of the "suicide" doors. However, on many cars, including the New Beetle and my Focus ZX3, the side airbags include extensions to protect the head as well as the torso. Any idea why Honda is using this type of taller air bag? Obviously there is room in the seat for it.
#4025 of 4724 Re: 2006 element [micweb]
Sep 22, 2005 (8:42 am)
Dunno, it could come out from above, maybe?
#4026 of 4724 Re: 2006 element [allfiredup]
Sep 22, 2005 (2:04 pm)
The '05 element does have side airbags, however only for the front passengers. It is the rear passenger dummies that have suffered unacceptable damage in past crash tests. I believe my daughters, along with their friends, deserve the same safety the driver and front passenger has. Thanks.
#4027 of 4724 Octane question.....
Sep 22, 2005 (5:52 pm)
I have been using 89 octane in my 04 EX but on a recent fill-up used the lower grade 87 octane and as a result have a significant "tin" sound at certain lower RPM's...not quite a knock as in my older pathfinder but nonetheless noticeable. Has anyone else experienced this problem....my concern I suppose would be if I am stuck buying the mid-grade gas from here on out.....thoughts?..THX
#4028 of 4724 Re: Octane question..... [north1]
Sep 23, 2005 (7:51 am)
The knock sensor should capture that and send the data to the ECU, which in theory would dial back the timing a bit. I'd guess that within a tankfull or two, that tin sound should go away.
If not, I might ask the dealer to have a look, possibly reset the ECU so that it maps a new timing pattern, i.e. it re-learns the timing advance to use for your engine.
On my Miata, the timing is set manually, it was funny to adjust the dial to advance the timing and hear the engine ping, then stop pinging as I retarded the timing.
Mine would ping at about 18 degrees BTDC (before top dead center). Stock setting is 10 degrees. I left it at 14 degrees because you do gain some low-end torque by advancing it like that.
To set it to 18 degrees, I would actually have to use premium fuel. So I used 14.
Your ECU is supposed to adjust that automatically, especially since the engine is designed to run on regular, not premium or even plus.
Sep 24, 2005 (5:47 pm)
Who is buying Elements in the Northeast? 20 somethings, or all ages?
#4030 of 4724 Re: Demographics [garandman]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 24, 2005 (6:01 pm)
Good question. This article says that the Element's youngest buyers (nationwide) are around 43.
Metro Times Detroit
#4031 of 4724 Re: Demographics [garandman]
Sep 24, 2005 (6:49 pm)
I've read in more than one article that the average age of the Element buyer is mid-40s. Around Atlanta, everyone I see driving them appears to be my age (30) or older.
I know they were aiming for younger buyers, but they made a heck of a vehicle that appeals to us practical, well-past-college folks. What would appeal even more to me- a performance version! Slip the TSX engine under the hood!
#4032 of 4724 I'm really old (60) and I bought an Element at age 59
Sep 25, 2005 (3:46 pm)
And I love it! I also have a 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (A-W-D) Cabriolet on order. Keeping the Element? You bet I am!
#4033 of 4724 Re: Demographics [steve_]
Sep 26, 2005 (7:20 am)
That's a misprint, or misinterpretation. The "average" age of buyers for the Element is 43. That is not the "youngest age". From what I gather, the number 43 makes the Element second only to the less-expensive Civic (age 40) for youth appeal.
And contrary to the Metro article, This one from Wards puts the average Xb buyer at 42. Metro only gives us the average age for Scion as a brand.
All in all, the business of demographics seems a bit fuzzy. For example, the Metro article states that Toyota buyers average 47 years, supposedly, higher than Honda, VW, and Nissan. Yet, other sources put Honda's average age at 50. Furthermore, the figures are for car "buyers", not necessarily the people who are the primary drivers. Given that Elements are more expensive than Scions and Civics, it seems pretty obvious that younger buyers are going to be more likely to use mom and dad as a bank. So, I don't put much faith in these demographics.