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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
Mar 15, 2005 (11:52 am)
As posted above, Honda has stated that they will be adding several safety features (ABS, VSA, airbags, etc.) to all their light trucks by the end of calendar year 2006.
The Element appears to be on a 5 year design cycle, just like most every other Honda product. In the fourth year of a five year cycle, the vehicle will get a refresh. This year was the CR-V's refresh. It got all the stuff Honda promised in their Safety for Everyone campaign.
Next year is the fourth year for the Element (and also Pilot). So, both are due for this refresh. Both will also be sold as 2007 models - introduced in mid and late 2006. Technically, that would allow Honda to meet their Safety for Everyone promise, but upgrades like that in the very last year of production are almost unheard of.
Of course, Honda reps will never confirm anything about future product changes. Even with the information sitting right on their desk.
#3696 of 4724 Side Impacts - YMMV?
Mar 15, 2005 (5:01 pm)
Outback did very well in side impacts. It was the Legacy that tested poorly. Keep in mind there is about a 3" difference, i.e. the Outback sits a lot higher.
Plus the Outback tested was a wagon, while the Legacy was a sedan.
Subaru recalled the side air bags in Legacy sedans (only sedans) and the scores improved somewhat, but they were still only average.
In a bizarre twist, an identical Legacy sedan earned the highest score of any car ever in Australian NCAP side impact tests.
The tests are similar so noone can explain why. Go figure.
#3697 of 4724 Re: Carlr [varmint]
Mar 16, 2005 (7:42 am)
Thanks for the info. When you say that "upgrades in the last year of production are almost unheard of," do you mean that is why they will do the airbag upgrade in the fourth (2006) versus the fifth year? Does this ALSO mean there will not be a 2006 ELEMENT model but only a 2007? I am anxious to buy one but I guess I may have to wait another year because I don't want one without curtain airbags.
Suppose I could buy one now and trade it later but then there is the hit for depreciation!
Mar 16, 2005 (9:47 am)
Put yourself in Honda's shoes. Would you spend a whole lot of money making changes to vehicle that is scheduled to get a complete overhaul one year later? That is why late upgrades are very rare.
If Honda sticks with the 5 year cycle (and there's nothing to suggest that they won't), the Element should get a refresh for the 2006 model year. This refresh should include the curtain style airbags in addition to the seat-mounted backs that are already an option. Those vehicles should hit the lots in November or December of 2005.
Then we will see a 2007 model at the very end of 2006. That will be the last year for the current generation of the Element. The vehicle will only see minimal changes that year - cosmetic stuff.
#3699 of 4724 Re: Upgrade [varmint]
Mar 16, 2005 (1:51 pm)
Thanks again. Makes sense. At least I won't have to wait as long for the curtain air bags. Sounds like they are only about 7-8 months away.
#3700 of 4724 Re: Upgrade [carlr]
Mar 16, 2005 (2:46 pm)
We don't know that the refresh includes side curtain airbags. It may not.
Most likely the refresh will include standard ABS and seat mounted torso airbags (the same ones that are now available as an option), new paint colors, new tail lights, revised grill, bumpers, wheels and seat fabric.
Honda has not promised side curtain airbags on all vehicles until the end of calendar year 2006.
It would be nice if side curtain airbags were to appear on the 2006 Element though, but they have not been promised by Honda.
Mar 16, 2005 (3:12 pm)
Yes, Honda has not promised curtain bags until the end of 2006, but there is no good reason for them to wait that long. Read up a few posts. There are no promises, but it is likely.
#3702 of 4724 Re: 307web [varmint]
Mar 16, 2005 (4:43 pm)
The end of calendar year 2006 happens to coincide with the release of the next Element, so that seemed like a hint.
#3703 of 4724 Re: 307web [307web]
Mar 16, 2005 (8:14 pm)
No, the end of 2007 would coincide with the next Element.
2004 2nd year
2005 3rd year
2007 final year
The resdesign comes in the form of the 2008 model year.
#3704 of 4724 Re: 307web [varmint]
Mar 16, 2005 (8:48 pm)
OK, then I'll look for side curtain airbags, ABS and VSC in the 2006 Element this December.
If it has all that by then, I'll probably go sit in one and test drive it to see if I like the way it drives.