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You are in the Honda Element
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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#3672 of 4724 Re: A boxy second car [rhody_marco]
Mar 11, 2005 (11:10 am)
You said, in part:
The new side-crash results were disappointing. Any idea if Honda plans to address this, say with standard side airbags ? "
Honda has a new safety program called "Saftey for All;" from what I understand they intend to incorporate antilock brakes, side curtain airbags, and vehicle stability control in ALL their vehicles in the next few years.
On a more immediate note, the 2004 CR-V failed the IIHS side impact test, so for 2005 Honda beefed up the metal around the doors and added both side curtain and side torso airbags. Results? Passes in '05. Honda announced the addition of the air bags, ABS, and VSC for 2005, but didn't mention the frame reinforcements (it's in the IIHS notes on their website).
My guess is Honda will roll out the triumvirate of ABS, VSC, and side curtain on the Element for '06. Right now it is a question of what consumers are willing to pay, and parts suppliers ramping up their production lines to meet demand, on 100% of vehicles, for parts that were on probably less than 2% of vehicles.
Keep in mind that the IIHS test is almost absurdly severe. The Feds test for impact of a midsize car on the side - already a stiff test - and IIHS tests a much heavier pickup with higher ride height, above the federally mandated side door beams. On the other hand, we've always known in our heart of hearts that t-bone accidents, as they are called, are almost certainly fatal. The IIHS tests show a way to survive, so actually it's pretty amazing. And what's really amazing is how much survivability depends on side curtain airbags, and not much additional frame beefing. Who woulda thunk it?
Vote with your dollars, buy CR-V's this year (if you need to buy this year!) and Elements next year (if they get upgraded).
#3674 of 4724 Likelihood of side curtain airbags low
Mar 11, 2005 (3:07 pm)
I wonder about the Element especially since it was originally designed before side curtain airbags were considered:
"with the exception of a small number of specialty vehicles"
I wouldn't be surprised if the simply make the now optional seat-mounted side airbags and ABS standard rather than go through the cost of side curtain airbags on a vehicle that may be fully redesigned in less than 2 years.
#3675 of 4724 1989 Civic 4-door - side-impact crash test
Mar 11, 2005 (3:38 pm)
I was T-boned ten years ago driving a 1989 Honda Civic 4-door. The Ford F-150 that hit me was doing about 50 MPH. The car salesman driving it had forgotten to turn on his headlights before he left the dealership. He was delivering the truck to a waiting customer at another dealership. It was dark; the road had no streetlights. He had travelled only two miles when I pulled out right in front of him. The last thing I saw was my side marker light reflecting off the new Ford's nice shiny grille.
The Ford rammed squarely into the driver's side - centering on the pillar between the front and back doors. I was hit so hard the front passenger door blew open. Good thing I was wearing my seatbelt. Otherwise, I'd have shot out like a cannonball. The Civic engine raced upon impact. Could I have been airborne ?
After the collision, the engine was still runnnng with the transmission in gear. However, the car wasn't moving. I felt myself blacking out, so I quickly put the car in park, and killed the ignition.
Seconds later, sight and sound began returning. I could see headlights of other cars now. There were crunchy bits of something in my mouth that I instinctively spat out. It took me a moment to realise that someone was calling me - asking if I was okay. I tried opening the window, only to discover that the glass was totally gone. I had been spitting out what remained of it. I weakly answered the voice, "Get a doctor".
By the time the ambulance arrived I was fully conscious, and in pain. I felt like I could walk, yet the EMT's said I should let them put me on a stretcher and take me to the hospital.
I wound up with a couple of badly bruised ribs and glass cuts. I walked out of the hospital two hours later - still spitting glass. For the next month, every sneeze was a new experince in pain.
My trusty old '89 Civic was a totalled. Yet I wasn't. The car had no airbags of any kind. I don't know how well it did on side impact government crash tests - or if any were performed in 1989.
I do know that I survived.
I wonder...would I have fared as well driving a Honda Element on that dark night ?
#3676 of 4724 Re: Incentive [rhody_marco]
Mar 11, 2005 (3:42 pm)
" Would that not be hard on the brakes and suspension ?"
Don't know. All I know is that plenty of owners have violated the 650 lbs mark. I'm not recommending it. Just saying that people do it.
The fact that people do it suggests they are ignoring the limits. Hence they are doing, more or less, whatever they want with the car.
If they are doing what they want, and Honda is protected from liability, that's a win/win situation for Honda. The owners are happy. And Honda is not liable for anything if the owner goes overboard. Why would they mess with that?
I'm just answering your question. If Honda were my company, I might do things differently... but it's not. I don't get to make the rules.
If it makes you happier, a CR-V has nearly the same interior capacity, all the safety hardware, and an extra 250 lbs capacity. Are you sure you're looking at the right vehicle?
Mar 12, 2005 (7:38 am)
Talks about overloading, weight disbribution, etc. Take it FWIW, the premise is kinda silly.
#3678 of 4724 Re: Link to "Saftey for Everyone" Program from Honda
Mar 12, 2005 (10:12 am)
I looked at the Honda web link again and it says "before the end of calendar year 2006."
By that time, the completely redesigned 2007 Element will be out.
That probably means they won't bother with side curtain airbags for the current design of the Element.
#3679 of 4724 Element Knocked on its Side
Mar 13, 2005 (10:58 am)
Today I was returning from shopping and came across an accident involving an Element. It was on its side; it was hit by a BMW. Don't know exactly what happened, but it wasn't a pretty sight. They definitely need side airbags...
#3680 of 4724 Re: Incentive [rhody_marco]
Mar 13, 2005 (11:18 am)
Reading between the lines here....I'd say you need to purchase another Suby instead of making all the negative remarks concerning the Element. My guess is that your yard sale items will fit just perfect in the suby....plus look at all the weight it can carry. Why would you even consider a Element when you have only negative things to say concerning it? Save your money and buy the Chevette!
#3681 of 4724 Re: Element Knocked on its Side [lovemysubie]
Mar 13, 2005 (11:22 am)
I'm interested in where this happened? Can you provide details like State, City, street location?