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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#3229 of 4724 Scion xB demand will be regional
May 08, 2004 (1:20 pm)
Per varmint's earlier note regarding regional demand. The demand for the Scion xB should be as well. My wife and I were having a little bit of a battle regarding what the next family vehicle should be. I was pushing for looking seriously at the xb for two reasons, cost and mileage. (The new vehicle will be my daily driver, and I currently have a '90 Range Rover.) I like the room of the xB, the three seat belts in the rear, the mileage is great, but most of all the price. The main draw back is no AWD.
We live in the SLC area, and AWD, or chains, is required for travelling up the canyons to the slopes in the winter, which is a weekly trip from November to late April. That combined with the history of Honda quality has lead me to decide that the Element wins, but this reasoning will not hold true for people in Louisiana.
A side note regarding regional demand. I requested a quote by internet through Edmunds this week. They only have one local dealer listed, and the price quote on a 2004 Fiji Blue Element LX AWD Auto is $19,090. I have read posts in this discussion, and the one on pricing, quoting purchase prices on AWD Auto EX's for less. Those would have to be in areas where demand is not as great, or California where the battle with the Scion is a year old.
May 08, 2004 (2:20 pm)
The Toy dealer here says it will take a month to get one "since they sell so quick" but "HE WILL ORDER ONE FOR ME".
Gee why am I not surprised.
The Xb is probably too light in the Expedition laden highways . Maybe $2.25 gas will kill off some of the SUVs.
May 10, 2004 (6:51 am)
They are light, under 2500 lbs, but they're not small. scootertrash owns an xB and an Expedition and he posted a picture of the two next to each other, the xB holds its own. You can also get side curtain air bags and stability control is standard, too.
Keep something in mind - Element did poorly in side-impact tests without the side air bags. Honda had claimed the extra weight of the Element went to beefing up that B-pillar but the crash tests say otherwise:
Structurally, the score was only Average, and the overall score was Poor.
So don't dismiss the xB because it seems smaller, it might actually be safer, depending upon how you measure.
May 10, 2004 (9:11 am)
Ztorin - You need to get yourself to the next Honda SUV Olympics. It's in Franconia Notch on July 31. E-mail me for details. I haven't finished the new web site just yet.
For info on the last Olympics, check this link.
Juice - I wouldn't use a single crash test to bolster that argument. The Element scored 5 and 4 stars in the NHTSA crash tests.
The Scion hasn't passed any government tests, yet.
May 10, 2004 (9:55 am)
It hasn't failed any either. :o)
Actually every vehicle has to meet the gov't minimums, so these tests aren't really pass/fail.
Someone was saying the xA was tested and its scores were close to the Element's. xB hasn't been tested but if anything it's the same platform with hard points farther away from the passengers, so it should do as well or better.
All I'm saying is don't dismiss the xB due to its size, the safety content is actually impressive for its price class.
Element and Scion xB are unique, boxy vehicles and from what I gather owners are pretty passionate about them, i.e. they have a strong preference. I'm trying to look at the safety issue objectively.
May 10, 2004 (11:20 am)
I think that the xB and the Element will generally attract different audiences. The wash-n-wear interior of the Element is a big plus for me (better for wet, muddy dogs).
The xB wouldn't work for me because it isn't AWD/4x4 and I want something that will get me through the chain control points without having to get out and put on chains (something I would prefer not to do at 4 am).
Also, the Element has more ground clearance, something that I'd find useful, both getting in and out of our driveway in winter, and getting to a couple of the trailheads I go to often in the summer.
I think the xB is a nice vehicle for not much money, but it wouldn't meet my (somewhat unusual) needs.
#3235 of 4724 oddly, everyone thinks
May 10, 2004 (11:56 am)
their fav car is unique. the scion people do, the element people do, and the PT cruiser people get all huffy and say, "well our car is in a class by itself".
From my life long view of owning sedans, they are all a lot closer to each other than to regular SUVs(all the same to me), or sedans (all the same to me)
May 11, 2004 (9:02 am)
I agree that AWD is an important feature missing from the xB, but keep in mind the Element doesn't have as much ground clearance as a CR-V, so I'm not sure it has as much appeal for those snowy mountain drivers.
xB is actually much more of a conventional wagon, it just looks very unique, and draws attention to itself.
May 11, 2004 (12:02 pm)
I think it draws attention only because its ugly (but then thats my personal opinion). The Element on the other hand (again my personal opinion) is very cool inside and out. The XB is just a box on wheels and it literally looks like that.
Edit: However, I did like the interior of the XB but not more than I liked the Element's interior. And I feel that I should not call it ugly because its not. It's just too boxy for me.
May 11, 2004 (1:09 pm)
xB is selling well, even at MSRP (no-haggle pricing).