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#2564 of 4680 2004 Element by 900pres Aug 18, 2003 (10:33 am)
I am very interested in purchasing a new Element but would like to know when the 2004's are going to be available and what changes are going to be made. Anyone have any information?...thanks.
#2565 of 4680 2004 by bigkahunafl Aug 18, 2003 (10:36 am)
My sales rep said they are due in Sept. She has not heard any specifics as to changes. Rumors are keyless entry on EX as well as arm rest for passenger seat. Keyless entry is the one I want added.
#2566 of 4680 2WD in the crud, any opinions? by xweb Aug 20, 2003 (1:06 am)
I live in Germany and am seriously considering buying an Element. I am now facing the 2WD vs. 4WD question. Any opinions on 2WD on wet roads, in snow, or in mud? I'll be facing lots of bad weather soon.   Also, does the 4WD add anything else besides the moonroof for $1100? Although that does seem like a fair price for this upgrade.   I'm thinking EX w/side airbags, just can't decide on whether 2WD is safe enough.   Thanks for all the great tips! I love this board!!
#2567 of 4680 Hitch for Trailer by sailoverfuel Aug 20, 2003 (5:41 am)
Yikes...the hitch is almoust $500. I jusy got the E a month ago and of course (Murphy's Law) I need a hitch SOON. Did not count on having a small sailboat but now I do.   Can we get aftermarket Hitches and Balls, if so were. At $500 is worth more that the boat.   Couls someone advice...and finally what was the towing max on the E? Doeas anybody know????   Thanks
#2568 of 4680 Hitch by bigkahunafl Aug 20, 2003 (6:09 am)
There are always after market trailer hitchs, but if you want a Honda hitch check a site like http://www.handa-accessories.com/elementext.html
#2569 of 4680 by ateixeira Aug 20, 2003 (8:08 am)
Shop for a Hidden Hitch or a Draw Tite, those are usually much, much cheaper. Some go for as little as $80, though you'll also need a harness.   I bet Honda outsources production of that type of accessory. I know Subaru does, then they mark it up. Even then I paid $180 for mine, OE Subaru. $500 is insane!   Do they include an oil cooler and a power steering cooler? I know they do for the Odyssey. That might explain it.   Edit: looks like no, Handa had it for $212. They say even list is under $300. That dealer is trying to rip you off.   Towing capacity is 1500 lbs for the Element.   xweb: you'll only find out FWD was not enough if you get stuck. Do you really want to wait until you're stuck? Get 4WD. In the snow and mud you'll benefit from it.   -juice
#2570 of 4680 Hitch by bigkahunafl Aug 20, 2003 (8:16 am)
I noticed the list price on the Handa site too - just didn't want to rub salt in the dealer inflicted wound.
#2571 of 4680 Hitch by robr2 Aug 20, 2003 (8:41 am)
Perhaps it's $500 installed?? Or perhaps that includes the wiring harness which is $168 list?? That would bring total list to $463. Also take a look at the installation instructions at the earlier link. The hitch is fairly straightforward - the harness is not. First 2 pages are Honda legalese. 3-9 is for the harness including removal and reinstall of bumper and many interior bits. 10-13 are for the hitch - with the bumper on.   I thought the CRV hitch was a joke to install!!
#2572 of 4680 On a positive note... by robr2 Aug 20, 2003 (8:44 am)
...I can't believe how many Elements I'm seeing around Boston driven by all sorts of folks - most skewing older. I saw a silver one this AM - with a nice mesh grill on it.
#2573 of 4680 4WD vs. 2WD vs AWD by micweb Aug 20, 2003 (9:02 am)
I believe Honda has "on demand" 4WD - the rear wheels will only activate if the front wheels are slipping. In other words, if you are bogged down. Which isn't usually the case on typical snowy roads.   Subaru uses "all wheel drive" where a portion of the power is always sent to the back wheels - this helps much more on curves and snowy roads.   The main advantage to 4WD of the Honda variety in California, is that it will save you having to put on chains when the "chains required" signs are up in the mountains. Even though in those conditions the 4WD really doesn't help. (In the midwest and eastern USA, people get by without 4WD or chains all the time.)   I have been told that "traction control" systems that prevent wheel spin and slides by selectively activating the ABS system on a wheel by wheel basis are almost as good as AWD in keeping you out of trouble on snow and ice; and also that snow tires on FWD cars are better than regular tires and 4WD or AWD.   So there are a lot of ways of approaching the 4WD issue. (Of course 4WD is essential for off-road use, but the Element is not really an off-road car, with or without 4WD.)   The Elements 4W is totally useless on wet roads - it simply doesn't activate in a timely fashion. The Subaru AWD, VW 4 Motion, and Audi Quattro systems are designed for wet roads. They use all four wheels, all the time.

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