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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#173 of 4724 Based on Honda Stream
Apr 17, 2002 (10:18 am)
The 2003 Element engine and transmission are the same used in the Honda Stream, which is not avaialble in NA and is the current biggest vehicle based on the new Civic chasis. See the Honda Japanese site and you will see the similarities. I believe the Stream is available in AWD and the chasis and mechanical similarities are closest to that vehicle.
I was hoping they would import Stream, but they had to SUVize it for the NA market. Honda did a lot of work to keep the floor low and this will really help the utility of this vehicle.
Apr 17, 2002 (12:03 pm)
I think Element is a better vehicle for American market than Stream. Also, Stream uses a detuned version (154 HP/139 lb.-ft) of the K20A engine with/without AWD, but Element supposedly will carry 2.4 liter I-4 shared with (American) CRV.
Apr 17, 2002 (1:01 pm)
I prefer some of the Accord-based wagons over the Stream. Honda should bring those back.
Maybe not - Element will be more profitable and will helps with the CAFE average of extremely profitable Odysseys and Pilots.
#176 of 4724 Accord Based Wagon - Avancier!
Apr 17, 2002 (1:56 pm)
I second that!
Apr 17, 2002 (4:02 pm)
is Honda's AWD (RT4WD?) answer to the Subaru Outback. I seen pixs of it, and am impressed.
Apr 18, 2002 (7:10 am)
Yeah, that's it. Handsome, too.
There's even another Accord derived wagon, I forget the name.
Apr 18, 2002 (7:14 am)
Yep. Honda called it a tall wagon when it was released, and goes against Outback directly. And it was spotted in Ohio (by Motor Week) about two years ago. Then I thought that it might be another Honda (besides TL) that is exported out of Marysville plant to Japan. BTW, the engine options are identical to American Accord (with or without AWD), but V6 (tweaked to 215 HP) gets 5-speed auto (shared with TL?)
Juice, there is an Accord wagon too, but offered with a choice of 2.3 liter I-4 SOHC (150 HP/152 lb.-ft, same as American Accord) and 2.3 liter I-4 DOHC (200 HP/165 lb.-ft), with or without AWD.
Apr 18, 2002 (7:38 am)
Heck, I like 'em both!
Maybe the next gen Accord will get a variant like that. But maybe not - Honda probably makes more profit from selling CR-Vs and Pilots.
#181 of 4724 Why offer both?
Apr 18, 2002 (12:24 pm)
To me they're both going after pretty much the same customer.
Apr 18, 2002 (1:11 pm)
The Accord wagon would probably be better for the US market. It looks bigger, though that could just be my impression.