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Honda Element, Hatchback, SUV
#1384 of 4724 Element vs MPV
Dec 16, 2002 (1:46 pm)
I've been very excited about the E for months and have followed its development on the Honda website and the links you guys have given for reviews, etc. Thanks.
I'm a 40 something female academic type and yeah I'm excited by this vehicle. I do lots of activities with my 2 year old collie and I wonder if Honda knows this may be the perfect dogmobile for those of us who cart agility equipment to trials and our dogs with all their gear. Some of the events are day trips and some for weekends a few hours from home. The lease will be up soon on my Sebring convertible (Inferno Red) and although the dog looks really good riding politely in the back seat of the Chrysler with the top down, I know I have to get some thing practical. And yes, I want it to be distinctive,-- I care a lot about design. My previous car was a Miata, midnight blue with tan leather. The Sebring WAS my way of getting a bit more practical.
I live in Central Virginia and have been on the list (#2, they told me) since September to test drive an EX Auto 2WD as soon as the local dealer gets one in. To kill time and since I love researching cars, I've got a good deal perking along on an MPV LX that would be about $1,400 more than the E's MSR of 19,500. It's possible I won't like the Element once I drive it, or, those Honda salespeople could annoy me.
I'll have to make up my mind quick about the MPV since the dealer incentive will last until just after the first of 2003.
I am just the type of extravert you're talking about who won't mind at all if we are stared at in the sunset orange E. I only hope the cargo area is big enough for the dog, his crate, and a good amount of gear. I only need the 2 front seats so I guess I'd take the rear seats out if it helped with loading it up.
Bottom line is I am a person who needs a minivan or roomier SUV (priced around 20K) and I really don't like my boring choices. So Honda is offering something different and I'm thrilled about that. The only SUV that excited me design wise was the XTerra and frankly, the Element looks like more fun. Anybody else see this as a good dogmobile and wish Honda would cool it a bit on the "dorm room on wheels" schtick?
Dec 16, 2002 (2:09 pm)
Mazda will very likely have new incentives after the current ones expire. In fact they would tend to increase, not disappear.
I'd wait and try an Element.
Get a Miata used as a 2nd vehicle. That's what I did. It's the perfect complement to an AWD practical ride.
Dec 16, 2002 (2:16 pm)
I own a 02 CRV and if the Element came out at the same time the CRV did I would have seriously considered the E. I would have to see them and drive them in person but I like the styling and fuctionality of the Element.
Although, the mileage in the Element is a little disapointing.
Dec 16, 2002 (2:58 pm)
Along with Moonkat, I've avoided detailed discussion of the subject. But here goes...
The Element is actually very well designed from a styling point of view. The look is very cohesive from front to back, top to bottom. The use of similar shapes in the windows, headlights, and other places is a strong and very effective motif. None of the shapes clash with one another and the body lines are resolved with reasonable care. In this regard, the Element has better styling than the CR-V.
A truly ugly car (we cannot escape comparison with the Aztek on this) will have few themes in the shapes, confused lines, and awkward proportions. That is simply not true of the Element.
What we have with the Element is a styling motif that is non-traditional, not ugly. Automotively speaking, Americans have little appreciation for the box as far as shapes go. We've embraced angular wedges, aero-wedges, over-sized lights, giant fins, bell-bottoms, and plaid pants, but few appreciate a box or simple square. They just aren't used in our culture. It's not because boxes are inherently ugly.
Dec 16, 2002 (3:08 pm)
I think the function to price ratio for the Element is pretty good. It's a small minivan with a small price tag. Sure, you can get more space and more power from a larger minivan, but you also have to pay a larger price. This vehicle replaces cars like the old Civic Wagon, the Colt Vista, and the Eagle Summit. Frankly, it looks a lot better, too.
#1389 of 4724 Element styling is non-issue
Dec 16, 2002 (5:22 pm)
The styling doesn't bother me in the least.
I probably won't buy one because of lack of engine power and because reviews have said the front seats are set very low, like sitting in a bathtub with your knees pointing up in the air and straining to see over the dash and hood. I hate that. I prefer chair-high seating.
I remember when the Nissan Xterra came out many, many years ago in the 1990's and I was excited to go test drive one until I sat in the very low drivers seat that had no height adjustment.
I will have to go sit in one and drive the Element to verify those things for myself, but if it turns out to be true, I won't ever get one.
Dec 16, 2002 (5:31 pm)
My boyfriend is 6'6 (mostly legs) and his legs weren't up in the air. He had plenty of headroom and legroom. I was also looking at pictures of it today and saw that it does have a height adjuster on the driver's seat.
#1391 of 4724 invoice pricing per college hills
Dec 16, 2002 (8:25 pm)
2003 Element 2WD DX
Manual - Retail $16,100 | Invoice $14,880.64
Automatic - Retail $16,900 | Invoice $15,618.56
2003 Element 2WD EX
Manual - Retail $18,650 | Invoice $17,232.76
Automatic - Retail $19,450 | Invoice $17,970.68
2003 Element 2WD EXS (Side Airbags)
Manual - June 2003
Automatic - June 2003
2003 Element 4WD DX
Manual - May 2003
Automatic - Retail $18,300 | Invoice $16,909.92
2003 Element 4WD EX
Manual - May 2003
Automatic - Retail $20,850 | Invoice $19,262.04
2003 Element 4WD EXS (Side Airbags)
Manual - June 2003
Automatic - June 2003
Dec 16, 2002 (8:51 pm)
i got to drive an element along with a crv (almost an accord too but the sales lady had to leave early plus i am getting a cold or a sinus infection so ill hold off a bit on a full review untill i feel better
better visibility than crv
quieter than crv at 75-80 mph
I BANGED MY KNEE ON THE SUBWOOFER
auto shifter too "loose" and awkward
i think the steering stalk like on pilot , oddesey and the 1st gen crv would be better
same to the crv's new shifter though it did seem to stick better than elements
I do not care for the lame stereo no matter who made it or how "loud" it is
my left foot became tired and sore I dont know if it was the dead pedal position or the low seating
low seating I felt like a kid (or one of those 90 lb women driving a suburban)
window too high or maby it was the low front seating plus the design angle in the corner kept me from propping my arm up with the window down
gauges the steering wheel blocked my view of them
cruse was awkward had to reach really far (and search) just to activate it
I roughly measured the length of the bed btw
65' with front seats back and 75' slid to the front
(no room to sit slid all lthe way up as well)
it was very very strange unlike any vehicle I've ever been in.
you just have to sit in it
I'll comment more later when I get rid of this cold
Dec 17, 2002 (5:44 am)
Looks pushed way aside ... what is so special about what the Element does? Ya it has lots of space for stuff, big deal. The function factor just sounds like a gimmick to me as it doesn't do anything special. Lots of attractive vehicles out there that do the same thing Element does and you don't have to constantly defend your purchase.