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#1681 of 1701 Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 26, 2013 (7:07 am)
"Sirius XM Radio Inc's grip on drivers is under an increasing threat as the availability of Internet connections in more cars is helping Pandora Media Inc counter some of its rival's big selling points.
Sirius XM, which has its satellite radios in 70 percent of new vehicles, generates the vast majority of its revenue through subscriptions and derives only a fraction from advertising dollars. Streaming service Pandora is just the opposite, collecting most of its revenue from advertising and operating only a nascent subscription business.
But the migration of music audiences to mobile devices threatens to upend a market that Sirius current dominates."
In battle for the car, Sirius faces fight from Pandora (Reuters)
#1682 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [steve_]
Jan 26, 2013 (8:22 am)
Data throttling, ever-increasing charges for excess data, spotty coverage and the inability of the mobile network to provide steady streaming of music without freezing and gaps as you move around at car speeds, all will conspire to limit Pandora's "threat" for now.
Plus most sat radio is entirely commercial-free, which is worth a lot to me all by itself. I don't think sat radio can just sit on its hands, and it is certainly borderline too expensive, but I don't thnk Pandora is going to KO Sirius any time soon.
#1683 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [nippononly]
Jan 26, 2013 (9:03 am)
...but I don't thnk Pandora is going to KO Sirius any time soon.
KO, no, not anytime soon, but faster than one might think.
Right now, Sirius XM is the much bigger company, with almost 24 million subscribers and more than $3 billion in annual revenue. In the third quarter, it generated average revenue of $12.14 per subscriber.
Pandora, by contrast has 60 million users, about 1 million of whom are paid subscribers, and is on track to generate $424 million in revenue this year.
60 million is a lot more exposure than 24 million, and Pandora is aiming at the younger crowd market, a segment that is the future.
"From the consumer standpoint, the reception advantages of satellite radio will be marginalized or go away over time," said a former Sirius XM executive familiar with the business models of the company and its competitors.
#1684 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [busiris]
Jan 26, 2013 (9:45 am)
until they resolve the data usage dilemma, streaming is going to be a problem. It seems strange that there is this huge push toward using the phone to stream, but at the same time, the carriers are doing everything they can to limit your usage of it.
just not enough bandwidth to go around.
#1685 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [stickguy]
Jan 26, 2013 (12:37 pm)
...until they resolve the data usage dilemma, streaming is going to be a problem. It seems strange that there is this huge push toward using the phone to stream, but at the same time, the carriers are doing everything they can to limit your usage of it.
Are the carriers really doing everything they can to limit your usage, or are they doing everything they can to make you pay for using it?
It's a subtle, but very real, difference...
#1686 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [busiris]
Jan 26, 2013 (12:59 pm)
yes, a nuance. They are setting up a system to suck as much money as possible out of the customers, which will likely have the result of people cutting back on usage.
they are like drug dealers. Give out some free samples to get you hooked, then ratchet up the price when you are!
#1687 of 1701 Re: Internet-enabled radio in the car has already begun [stickguy]
Jan 26, 2013 (2:29 pm)
...they are like drug dealers. Give out some free samples to get you hooked, then ratchet up the price when you are!
IMO, the wireless carriers see themselves as entitled to some of the gold they carry.
In essence, its a sly way to change the business model... Sort of like me sending you $100 each week through the mail and one day the mailman says to himself..."Sure, you paid me to deliver the $100 by purchasing a stamp, but now that I realize I've been delivering something of value to you, in a reliable manner, I'm entitled to a little piece of the action as well".
Carrying data only pays so much...a bit like "Time to increase the size of my piece of pie... Bigger piece of the same size pie, or same % of a bigger pie... ".
Either one works...
Feb 11, 2013 (2:56 pm)
I have a 2011 Nissan Quest. It came with the free trial of XM, and I let it run out. A couple of weeks ago, I noticed the GPS was throwing up weather warnings - and sure enough XM is operating. I never re-subscribed - did this happen to anyone before?
Feb 11, 2013 (3:37 pm)
They have this in a lot of the rental cars I drive and it's quite enjoyable to say the least! But if one has a large enough inventory of stored music on cd's or a flash drive, it can be almost as good for a fraction of the cost. That's just what I listen to when a vehicle has no SAT radio like yesterday. I really like the 60's and 70's channels but my flash drive does almost the same thing except they have more of a selection. I've only got about 675 on the drive and I eventually will rehear stuff but SAT radio has the better variety but it just costs so darn much if one can't get the the phone person to get you a lower rate. If my car had it I'd love it but hey, I don't even have a aux plug or a usb port in my '06 Civic, something I deperately miss. My next vehicle will definitely have it!
#1690 of 1701 Re: Sirius/XM [sandman_6472]
Feb 12, 2013 (11:24 am)
Every once in awhile they will reactivate for a week or two at no cost trying to get you to resubscribe. I think the latest promo around here ends today. A few days ago I was taking a long drive and decided to tune it in. But it was the same thing; constant DJ blabber, listener phone ins, etc. Within 20 minutes I was back to my CD's. I want to listen to music, not DJ's and phone ins. Just reaffirmed for me my decision to let it lapse.