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#718 of 2551 TDI no longer available in U.S.?
Aug 11, 2003 (7:20 pm)
Hello all. I had been considering the purchase of a Golf TDI for the 30k+ miles that I put on each year. This forum has been very informative.
I am in CA, and I recently hear on the TDI club website that the TDI would no longer be available in CA in 2004 due to emissions requirements. I emailed my local dealer, and got this response:
"My name is Jason and I am the Fleet Manager at Timmon's VW. You are correct!! They are not making the TDI for the US market next year. There are only a few TDI engine cars left and they already stopped production at the factory. Please call me to go over your options, colors, etc. and let me see what I can find that is close to what you want. I also have 3 tdi golfs in stock."
Has anyone else heard of this? It sounds like it is not just in CA, but all of the U.S. Perhaps I need to jump on a 2003 now, or wait and be forced to buy a gas engine 2004. Thanks CA for ruining the availablity of this fine fuel efficient machine.
Aug 12, 2003 (5:38 am)
I think your salesman is either misinformed or trying to really get you worried so you'll rush in and pay him a bunch of money to get an '03. While the '04's won't be available in CA and several new england states, the cars will be readily available elsewhere.
The reason the '04 will not be available in CA and those other states is because the Jetta/Golf will be getting a more powerful engine that doesn't meet the emissions laws in those states. The Passat will be arriving in early '04 as well as having a larger TDI engine. I wouldn't be surprised if these make their way into these low emissions states in the near future with some extra equipment to get the emissions down.
How fast you want to run out and get one is up to you. There will always be used ones on the market as well, and I'm guessing a decent low-mileage '02 or '03 model bought in another state shouldn't be too hard to get registered in another state. It's not hard to register a vehicle in another state either, just need an address.
#720 of 2551 Registration
Aug 12, 2003 (2:38 pm)
If you are buying used, you wouldnt have any problem registering a car in CA. The only problem I could forsee would be buying new out of state and trying to register it in CA. So even in a year or two, you can still pick up anything pre-'04 no problem, they cant make used cars illegal in the state, that would screw over too many people.
Aug 12, 2003 (2:43 pm)
If I understand what you are saying, if one wanted a 04 TDI for use in CA for example, all that would need to be done is buy it out of state USED and pay the transfer/smog fee when it is registered in CA!?
Aug 12, 2003 (3:24 pm)
There is one notable error in your assessment of why the 2004 TDIs will not be available in CA.
It is NOT due to the newer engine (which is LESS polluting than the previous TDI engine)
It is, instead, due to a scheduled change in the emmissions rules that goes into effect in 2004. Neither the 'old' nor the 'new' TDI engine will meet the new emmissions rules given the available fuel.
The schedule for the new VeryLowSulpherDiesel fuel is to become available in several more years. With the approprate fuel, the newer TDI may actually MEET the emmissions requirements.
It is a VERY SAD SITUATION INDEED that the one of the most economical vehicles available in NorthAmerica is not 'legal' in some states.
Those stupid "hybryd" vehicles are tin-can econo-mobiles that have 100s of lbs of batteries that are significantly worse for the envrionment than the TDI.
Do not forget that Europe has stringent emmissions rules too... and the diesel engines are everywhere. WHY?? Because the CARB (California Air Rescources Board) has other goals in mind... you figure it out from there!
Another question... Why is CARB not just pushing up the introduction of the VeryLowSulpherDiesel fuel? It seems that would benifet EVERYONE. (There are Diesel trucks all over the country)
#723 of 2551 TDI Availability
Aug 13, 2003 (3:12 pm)
Croy4, this is an amazing coincidence. I live in the Southern California area, and I just bought my Golf GL TDI 2dr from Jason over at Timmons. I would HIGHLY recommend him to you. You'll get a much better price from him as a fleet manager, and he keeps his word. I negotiated the price with him over the phone, got him to email the conditions to me in writing, and when I got down to Long Beach, my car was ready, we signed papers, did the once-over, and we were gone. Fantastic experience.
To answer your question, though, I was under the impression that it's just California (and four other states) that won't get TDIs next year. I think the rest of the country will actually get the 100hp TDIs, but perhaps I've read that wrong. I didn't have that specific discussion with Jason, but the other dealerships I spoke with gave me that impression.
If you want more info about my experience with Jason (and a very negative experience I had at another local dealer), email me at my username here at yahoo.com.
Aug 13, 2003 (8:20 pm)
Touareg V10 TDI in 04. Passat TDI Wagon and Sedan with 2.0L TDI and 5 speed Tiptronic automatic transmission in 04. Golf, Jetta, and New Beetle TDI with 1.9L PD TDI 5 speed manual or 5 speed Tiptronic automatic transmission in 04. Available in Canada and everywhere in the USA that Federal emissions laws are in effect and CA emissions laws are not.
#725 of 2551 VW with Cummins?
Aug 14, 2003 (7:49 am)
[quote dieselbreath-PS: For you Cummins fans, VWs heavy trucks and busses are powered by Cummins diesels.]
No one knows what heavy trucks and busses VW makes with Cummins engines?
#726 of 2551 vw with cummins
Aug 14, 2003 (8:37 am)
I don't know the names of the models, but Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles has a medium/heavy truck and bus line in Brazil that use Cummins. I'm sure they're in other places as well.
Aug 15, 2003 (9:51 am)
My wife took my Jetta Wagon into the dealer for the 10,000 oil change. While there they also did a "10,000 mile service" which cost a whooping $130. I haven't seen the paperwork so I have no idea what they did. Is this a service recommended in the manual? What type of service can a 6 month old car with 10K possibly need that costs that much?? The kicker is that, as far as my wife is concerned, she did not authorized this, but she was pressed for time so she did not questioned in on the spot. Do I have any recourse at this time? It's too bad because the buying experience at this Annapolis dealership was great, and we get the oil changes at a steep discount because we bought the car there, but I may just have to stop going there.