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#1038 of 2551 My TDI so far!
Mar 23, 2004 (7:31 am)
Thanks to sebring96 & bpeebles for your comments to my post. The info you provided is helpful!
I guess when I say that I find it expensive to maintain my Jetta TDI, I really mean that relative to what it has cost me to use a dealer to do the work for this car compared to other cars I have owned.
I realize that there are savings in fuel costs + other types of maintenance that gassers might need. However, in my past experiences in owning at 1986 Chevy Nova (corrolla), 1992 Mazda B2200 and 2000 Mazda Protege, I have never spent anywhere near the amount of $$ in maintenance compared to my TDI. As an example, this is what it has cost me to date to maintain my TDI through the VW dealer (parts + labour: taxes extra):
- $100 for 48,000 kms oil change
- $430 for 64,000 km oil change + fuel filter + pollen filter + air filter + inspections
- $200 for new rear back pads 65,000 kms
- $100 for 80,000 kms oil change
- $400 for ignition switch 92,000 kms
- $400 for 96,000 km oil change + fuel filter + pollen filter + air filter + inspections (though I have not performed this one yet - I did the oil change at Jiffy for about $80 as I explained in my previous post but I still need to do the other items listed in the 96,000 km recommended maintenance)
- $700 for new timing belt at 96,000 kms (I have not done this one yet but will soon at VW)
- $??? for the correction of the check engine malfunction indicator lamp
Totalling the above amounts to $2,600 + taxes (I have assumed a $240 cost for to correct the check engine problem). This is for a car that I have now driven 99,500 kms.
For the first 100,000 km in any of the other cars I have owned, I have not spent anywhere near this amount. I am someone who properly cares for and maintains my cars. For example, my Mazda B2200, which I drove for 6 years and put 220,000 kms on it, I spent significantly less than this during the first 100,000 kms. I don't have the maintenance records for the B2200 as I gave them to the purchaser but I recall the regular maintenance intervals cost anywhere from $30 - $160 (depending on the service interval). I did replace rear shoes for the B2200 for around $160 and the timing belt for around $260. I would say that the first 100,000 kms cost me about $1,380 at the most (includes rear brake shoes + timing belt). My 1986 Chevy Nova was a complete joy when it came to maintenance and I doubt I exceeded $800 for the first 100,000 kms.
When I look at the fuel savings in driving my Jetta, I probably still come out ahead. I have owned my Jetta for just over 2.5 years and I have likely saved about $600 per year in fuel (using my 2000 Protege as a fuel consumption comparator). This translates to $1,500 in fuel savings over 2.5 years. When I factor in this saving, the Jetta ends up costing me less overall. I don't dispute that. However, fact is that a good chunk of the fuel savings is going back in to maintain this car. I say this with the thought in mind that I don't own a lemon - my troubles are not that significant.
I love my Jetta TDI - I have no plans to sell it because of the above costs. I plan to run it to 500,000 kms eventually - maybe pass it on to my son one-day! However, in reality, if people buy this car thinking that they will save significant dollars because of the fuel savings, they should be wary of the fact that it works out to about almost the same if they faithfully use dealer for maintenance and repairs. My thought is that I will consider starting to do my own maintenance for things such as oil changes, fuel/air/pollen filters (maybe even brakes) and leave things like timing belts and the electronic stuff to the dealer!
Again, thanks for your comments to my post.
Mar 23, 2004 (8:34 am)
Another alternative is to find a good mechanic instead of using the dealer. Their rates are higher than most imports and I don't find their competenance very high when it comes to TDI's. There are a few shade-tree TDI mechanics that I trust more than the dealers, but you should be able to find a good german mechanic with better service rates. They also may have better/cheaper access to parts, considering a VW dealer is limited to buying from VW.
I certainly agree (as I posted above) that there are likely cheaper cars to operate. It's a stretch to compare a Protege to a Jetta, IMHO. Sometimes you just have to pay for better driving vehicles. It would be like me complaining that maintenance on my Audi A6 is higher than a Ford Taurus.
#1040 of 2551 Struggling over an upcoming purchase
Mar 24, 2004 (1:42 pm)
I have decided on buying a TDI - my daily commute has grown from 4 miles a day to 130 (65 twice a day) and the ole Jeep Liberty's 20 mpg is starting to pinch.
I have 2 small children (2 and 8) and have been thinking about either the Jetta Wagon - or waiting for a Passat.
My question is this - should I be at all concerned that this is the first year for the diesel Passat? I know VW's been making diesels for years, and that this is more an issue of the first time the model has been imported to the US - not the first year its been made - but I just worry about spare parts pipelines, etc. and wonder if I should wait or go for the Jetta since it's been in the "system" for a few years.
Would appreciate any thoughts.
#1041 of 2551 Ordering a "custom build" Jetta
Mar 24, 2004 (1:47 pm)
Okay - I've been talking with my local dealer about ordering a Jetta wagon - although still considering the Passat when it comes out.
If I go with the Jetta I want it loaded - GLS, w/ all the extras - traction, hotseats, and the OnStar system.
The salesdork I have been dealing with has searched the region and sees nothing like that on the ground. So I have been asking about a custom order. I am getting huge pushback from the guy - really trying to discourage me from considering that route. He says that the TDI in a wagon is super hard to come by - and that, when I am ready to write the check, he'll find something at another dealer that is close to what I want and trade for it.
Since they also aren't moving much off of sticker for this car, it seems to me that I should get exactly what I want - not something "close"
Is it possible to custom order a TDI and is there a dealer in the Midwest (NE, IA, KS, MO) that I should be dealing with to get better cooperation?
Mar 24, 2004 (1:50 pm)
I don't think the Passat TDI particularly scares me any more than buying a new Jetta. I'm not crazy about hauling the thing in for warranty work either way. The car itself should be a non-issue since it's late in the product life. Might be some teething issues with dealers figuring out the new TDI, but if you find a good dealer (that could be hard!) you should be alright. IMHO, the Jetta sucks in terms of back seat space. The Passat seems to only be rated for 38mpg highway, which isn't that far ahead of say a 4cyl Toyota Camry. I prefer the feel of a german car so it's a non-issue for me, buy you might be better off looking at something like that. Probably be cheaper in the long-run simply because VW is more of a premium brand and the maintenance/repairs are more expensive from the start. Just throwing out a few thoughts for you.
#1043 of 2551 17" Wheels an Option?? Sports Package
Mar 24, 2004 (2:01 pm)
I have been scanning various dealer sites for available Jetta TDi's - and I have seen 2 sites which reference a Sports package as an option on a GLS - and refer to 17" wheels. Is this a misprint? Obviously the build it option on the VW site shows nothing about this.
#1044 of 2551 No 17's or sport supension on TDI
Mar 24, 2004 (3:37 pm)
Unless you live in Canada there is no option of 17 inch wheels or sport suspension on the TDI Jetta, Golf, New Beetle or Passat.
In Canada there will be a Jetta TDI Sport with similar equipment to the Jetta Wolfsburg edition that was offered last year in the US.
Very attractive price and features on the Jetta TDI Sport, if you live in Canada I recommend it.
#1045 of 2551 Gadgetfiles
Mar 26, 2004 (9:57 pm)
I have a 2003 Jetta wagon and two daughters, ages 1 and 5.
When I was car shopping last year, I asked people in the Edmunds forums about the back seat space, too. Someone thought I was "inhuman" for trying to squeeze two children into the back seat.
After a year, I can say passenger space for small children isn't bad -- as long as it's a short trip (under two hours). And while it seems Volkswagen sacrificed back seat leg room for cargo space, once I get the stroller, playpen, diaper bag, small cooler and a few toys in the back, there isn't room for too much else.
I bought the Jetta because of my long commute for work (100 miles round trip) and the fact that 90 percent of the time I'm alone in the car. My mileage has been very good, though I might have to find someone to help me with the EGR mod this summer.
Outside of a defective radio mast (covered under warranty) and regular oil/filter changes, I haven't spent any money on the car.
I've resigned myself to trading in the Jetta within the next few years. There just isn't any room to add a third car seat, and even if the wife and I stop at two kids, I think in a few years the girls will need more legroom. Now if only VW would bring a TDI minivan to the states...
Knowing what I do now, I'd still by the Jetta -- just not with a beige/tan cloth interior. No sippy cup or bottle is spill proof, and dirt from small feet shows up like bib overalls at the opera. If I could buy again, I'd get leather, or at least black cloth.
Mar 27, 2004 (6:32 am)
The obvious answer is the upcoming Passat TDI. No lack of backseat space there. Will be available as a wagon as well as the sedan.
Mar 27, 2004 (6:34 pm)
I have seen reference to the EGR mod - and searched the forum as well - but outside of messages that say "get it done" or "just got it" - it's not clear what this mod is. Can someone explain it please? Also, is it something that you need to go to a mechanic for - and if so, what is the cost? Will the dealer do it? Warranty issues?