Last post on Sep 02, 2012 at 2:44 PM
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Volkswagen New Beetle, Volkswagen Golf, Volkswagen Jetta, Volkswagen Passat, Diesel, Hatchback, Sedan, Wagon
#2542 of 2551 Re: 2012 Volkswagen Golf Wagon 4dr TDI [zahava]
Aug 19, 2012 (9:17 am)
I think you are stretching it a bit on the price of gas, and IF it does reach that high, diesel will be close to $9/gallon... At that price, I would have a elec car, since I wouldn't have to worry about the fuel price, and since Solar is being installed on the house this week, it would cost next to nothing to run it. On a flight to Detroit there was a Ford engineer sitting next to me, who worked/working on the new Fusion, he told me that the Fusion will come in a diesel version, but he couldn't tell me which engine. I would like to see more American made cars with a diesel option... The Cruze looks promising and I'm sure the 50 MPG is low, since GM is expecting it to be higher.
#2543 of 2551 Re: 2012 Volkswagen Golf Wagon 4dr TDI [flightnurse]
Aug 19, 2012 (11:52 am)
Here's some chatter from 'gearhead' about the diesel Cruze........................
" according to sources in the Associated Press, GM is planning to sell a diesel-powered Chevy Cruze right here in the U.S. And it could achieve up to 50 mpg…with a healthy dose of torque to go with it.
This is basically the same story that made its way around the Internet back in February, only this time, with a date attached. The AP points to 2013 as the likely launch date, and that there is a 2.0 liter diesel powering the Holden Cruze down in Australia. That engine uses 5.6 liters of fuel for every 100 km of travel, which equates to about 42 mpg (combined) rated, as long as you opt for the six-speed manual transmission. Selecting the automatic drops the combined mileage down to 6.7 L/100 km, or about 35 mpg.
With the manual option, GM could get close to a 50 mpg rating here in the U.S., as under the Australian standards the 2.0 diesel-powered Cruze uses just 4.8 L/100 km during “extra urban” (highway) driving. That equates to 49 mpg highway. In the city, the rating drops to 7.0 L/ 100 km, or about 34 mpg. What with all the recent and impending changes to EPA ratings, CAFE standards, so on and so forth, who knows what the final numbers will be. But if GM squeezes a combined rating of 42 mpg out of a diesel Cruze, that could go a long way towards meeting the proposed 56.5 mpg CAFE standard that the White House is considering for by 2025.
The best part though, is that the new diesel engine makes 161 horsepower and 360 NM/266 ft-lbs of toque"
#2544 of 2551 Re: 2012 Volkswagen Golf Wagon 4dr TDI [longo2]
Aug 19, 2012 (3:33 pm)
It wont make a dent in the GM's Cafe #'s if they do not sell. VW has positioned itself well for the 56.5MPG. Both GM and Ford missed the boat for not bring over a GOOD diesel car/engine combo years ago..
#2545 of 2551 Re: 2012 Volkswagen Golf Wagon 4dr TDI [flightnurse]
Aug 30, 2012 (7:01 pm)
Flightnurse, Right you are. VW got other stuff up their slieves. Audi is bringing the Audi A6and A8 TDI's over to the US. Luxury + AWD + Good MPG. THe A4's and TT's will follow. Have you checked on the VW Lupo? It has set records over there. It is a cheap little car and gets between 80 to 120mpg. Google it. It's interesting. There is the Smart Car for 2. I have a MD acquaintence who was in Italy last year. He rented one and got 70 mpg. Has a diesel engine as well. There is a diesel hybrid that gets 120mpg and is still being tweaked. The other posts do raise a point that I am aware of and that is the special interests in this country who blunt and retard the advance of these vehicles to favor their largess. I.E. They brought the smart car here and dumped a gas engine in it and only gets 40 to 50mpg and it takes premium fuel on top of that. Well that isn't going to go anywhere and that's what happened. It will take another financial downturn to make this happen. When the need is acute they will supply the product just in time. Hmmmm Maybe I should buy some stock now. Regards to all
#2548 of 2551 Re: Diesel smell [gagrice]
Aug 30, 2012 (7:16 pm)
G, You should know that I have a 2006 VW New Beetle Diesel as well. Went 300 miles to get this one. Got this baby last year. It only had 26453 miles on it. It's got 37,890 on it now. I park it a tad in the summer. It's a winter beater now. I got blizzaks and brand new alloys for the winter and the original alloys and Michelin's for the summer. I am averaging 43 to 45 mpg (70%/30% highway/City driving) I think the clylinders have seated properly. No glazing. I am going to research Fred's TDI site to make sure the new Passat is done right. My sisiter is starting to moan about selling her KIA SUV (with 32,990 miles on it) because it's costing too much $ filling it up. I do love her. She is giving me the stink eye. May want to procure my bug. Hellllllllllllllllllllllp
#2549 of 2551 Re: Diesel smell [zahava]
Aug 30, 2012 (9:36 pm)
A friend in Seattle just sold his Ford 500 and Beetle TDI and bought a new Passat TDI. It fulfills all his auto needs. He loves it. Has the room to haul people and gets great mileage.
#2550 of 2551 is Golf TDI worth the 10k more!?
Sep 02, 2012 (1:01 pm)
We are considering a Golf TDI, but the difference between the TDI and the base model is more than $10,000 in our area!? Has anyone done an ROI analysis to get a break-even number based on today's fuel prices!?
#2551 of 2551 Re: is Golf TDI worth the 10k more!? [dmortaz]
Sep 02, 2012 (2:44 pm)
According to Edmunds.com the MSRP difference is 6,570.
I would advocate 4 fold actions:
1. shop the US inventory for invoice + or even better invoice -
2. get the best prices on a TDI and a basic model (if the basic model is what you really want)
3. look at several MY's used car prices (or in arrears of when you plan to sell either car you decide to get) of both TDI and gasser
3 b. get the real world used car prices TDI/gasser and then decide if the difference (per mile driven) is worth it.
4. Add to that the per mile driven savings or extra
example 40.3 mpg TDI, 29.1 mpg gasser, ULSD (corner store 4.25) RUG 4.13.
per mile driven ULSD .105 cents, RUG .14.2 cents or
35% more per mile driven RUG So over 100,000 miles RUG will cost 3,700 more.