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Dodge Neon SRT-4, Exterior, Sedan
Jan 23, 2003 (11:10 pm)
I have contacted by internet DODGE dealers in my area for a quote on a SRT 4. After many notes, one dealer gave me phone numbers at dodge to call for information. This is what I was told: SRT 4'S will note be available till June of this year, orders will be taken sometime in march and the existing rebate on neons will not apply to the SRT 4.---- One dealer insists that the SRT is a 2004 model. So thats the scoop, dispite other things you read.
Jan 24, 2003 (6:10 am)
Finally, Dodge seems to be waking up. It should not offer rebates on the SRT-4. The car's demand will exceed supply through the first year of production at the very least, and rebates both lower the profits and cheapen the image of a car. Daimler-Chrysler deserves to make a good profit on this car...it's well-engineered and well-priced.
#282 of 528 dodge turbo reliability in the past
Jan 26, 2003 (10:14 pm)
I owned a 1991 Dodge Spirit R/T. For those not in the know...this was a four-door sleeper. 2.2L 16V DOHC-224h.p. screamer. With very little modifications, it ran even with my 1993 Z-28 LT-1.The problem with the whole experience was very poor reliability! The aluminum head developed cracks easily, thus leaking coolant into plug valleys, the timing belt broke app. every 3000 miles. The car would run like s*** sometimes for no apparent reason, then run fine without any action taken to correct it. The point I'm making is that this car was a beast, but it was shoddily built and unreliable. This detracts from the fun factor...I've considered this SRT-4, but my better judgement will prevail and I will stick with my 2002 Mustang GT.
#283 of 528 Thank Lotus for that head
Jan 27, 2003 (12:16 am)
The plane old dodge sohc head didn't have those problems. There was a fix for the cracking problem where they replaced the steel, DUH, freeze plugs in the aluminum head with aluminum ones. I don't think any of the real fast, 12sec 1/4 or less, guys run the dohc head. I'd still like to have either a Spirit or Daytona R/T but I guess I can live with my turbo caravan. I also have an 89 5.0l mustang coupe and would keep a 02 GT over a SRT-4 but the SRT-4 is a pretty neat ride.
Jan 27, 2003 (4:41 am)
That is what separates the SRT from any other in its class. You don't need to do any modifications to the car. It's already been built to reliably handle its power output. You mentioned little modifications, did this include bumping up the turbo boost, maybe opening up the intake and exhaust some more also? I also had done similar modifications to my spyder a few years back. On the upside..my car ran terrific. It kept right up with 260hp mustang gt's from the original 210hp I had which barely could pull away from preludes, GTI's, integra's etc.. On the downside, I killed my first turbo at 70k from overstrain. Wore out my motor mounts, causing a couple of downpipes to break from overflexing. Cracked an exhaust manifold probably from the extra heat. Ran my car hot in the summer at times. Probably due to insufficient cooling. However, thanks to a proven mitsubishi engine, I now have 143k on the original drivetrain (minus turbo). And I drove around with all those modifications for close to 100k miles. I have closely followed all maintenance schedules, but have also driven the car hard since day one.
Any attempt for example, to modify a civic to perform anywhere near the level of an SRT, will result in MUCH worse reliablity and no warranty protection.
The SRT comes with around 260 unadvertised hp at the crank from the factory. A bumper to bumper warranty upto 36k and I'm sure extended warranties will be offered for upto 100k. There are even 3rd party warranties out there which will cover cars for upto 5yrs/150k miles.
The mitsubishi turbo in the SRT is one which is typically used in 300-350hp applications in the eclipse/talon turbo cars.
The only real question is, will there be an abundance of reliablity issues from the get go.
Which is why its probably a good idea, like with any first year model, to stay away. This way any potential kinks can be worked out for next years production. Of course the car will probably never be as reliable as a civic, protege, etc.. But if the result is dealing with a few extra unscheduled service stops from time to time. I dont think the typical performance enthusiast who is interested in an SRT, will really care.
Plus like I said, there is warranty protection available for any non maintenence stuff.
If honda did build a civic to perform next to a SRT. I highly doubt they would be able to pull it off for under $20k, without sacrificing significant cost in reliability.
Also no offense, but all those chrysler turbocharged cars from the 80's and early 90's were all frankly POS's when it came to reliablity
They have come a long way since then in terms of what their reliability standards use to be like.
Jan 28, 2003 (2:44 am)
I was with your right with you up to
"Also no offense, but all those chrysler turbocharged cars from the 80's and early 90's were all frankly POS's when it came to reliablity "
The imports beat us in the interior and fit and finish but overall I'd say the turbo chryslers were on par with all the other turbo cars made in that time period but all of them had problems . A lot of the problems were the owners just didn't know how to treat those turbos right espcially in the chryslers. The kind of person that buys a 300zx turbo is more likely to take good care of it than a guy that buys a reliant or caravan turbo. Ones probably a car person the other is just a dad or mom .
#286 of 528 caravan turbo
Jan 28, 2003 (11:45 am)
Nothing like an old minivan running 12 second 1/4 mile times. Bonus points if it has the fake wood on the side, tehe.
Should get one for a project car...
Jan 29, 2003 (1:27 am)
But I ripped the fake wood off . Its was all ripped up and looked really bad. Already have a boost controller and free flowing exhaust on it and I just bought a probe intercooler so I should be seeing high 14s here pretty soon . High 14s aren't that impressive but come on its a minivan.
Got to love it. The sound of that turbo spoiling up puts an evil grin on my face everytime.
Whats really cool is not only did they make a turbo minivan they made a turbo minivans with 5 speeds. To bad I couldn't find one of those.
Jan 29, 2003 (8:40 am)
I love 5 speeds (http://www.standardshift.com), I think Chrysler's bulletproof 3 speed auto is a better choice for older turbo applications, especially when the mods start happening.
Besides, it makes the win that much sweeter, tehe. Ack, I can't believe I just suggested an automatic over a manual.
The parents of a friend of mine in college won a caravan, and they got a 5-speed installed in it. Now that's dedication!
Getting back on topic, I wonder if the 2.4L turbo will be available as a crate motor. Would make for some interesting projects.
Jan 30, 2003 (12:13 am)
Well chrysler put like 6 or so different 5 speeds in those turbo cars two of which really hold up well. The 555 and 568 and those are what came in the vans so I could live with it. The auto does let you build boost off the line though.
"Getting back on topic, I wonder if the 2.4L turbo will be available as a crate motor. Would make for some interesting projects.
It probably will be. I already see people taking the sohc and dohc neon head and sticking them on the old 2.2l and 2.5l blocks with a little modding. It won't be to long before we start seeing 2.4l turbo omnis running around .