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Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
Mar 30, 2002 (2:20 pm)
You got me?? I just walked into a Ford Dealership in 1998 and went through the list for the Ranger. I did not want 4.10 because of MPG reasons and I wasn't going to tow anything heavy anyway.. The paperwork I got was a print out from the Dealership showing a 3.73 rearend ratio. Might they have pulled a fast one on me...
I think the 4.0 SOHC was a very good response to the Toyota 3.4 along with the Chevy 4.3 in terms of HP/Torque. I know the Toyota crowd hates this but.. the HP/Torque curve on the Ranger is better for truck use.. You don't have to rev the heck out of the engine to get the torque you need and it comes faster also. Of course I wish I could have this engine in my 98 Ranger.. The 160HP and push-rod technology is getting old.. A new Ranger may be in order in about 3 years.
#777 of 1840 yeah.......
Mar 30, 2002 (4:47 pm)
the older 4.0 is growing gray, but remember, torque makes a truck work. and your 4.0 still has more torque than the toyota 3.4.
you may want to check your msrp window sticker, it will tell you what gear ratio you have. also, on your build tag it will say.
it really isn't a big deal. i just thought that if you did have a factory 3.73 off-roader, that'd be pretty cool. of course, no one else on earth would really give two hoots, but people like us truck fanatics do care.
im looking at a new jeep liberty sport right now with the new 3.7 liter, it has 4.10's in it too. it is faster than the SOHC'D ranger i had. it runs hard. later
Mar 30, 2002 (9:05 pm)
Why do you think that Consumer Reports picked the Tacoma as the most reliable compact truck from 1994 - 2001? Do you think Toyota paid them off?
#779 of 1840 allknowing........
Mar 30, 2002 (9:49 pm)
dont know, dont care. i guess the people that matter didn't read those issues did they? you always fall back on those magazines dont you?
also, the tacoma did not exist in '94 "ALLKNOWING".
Mar 30, 2002 (10:15 pm)
What difference does it make whether you have 1, 2, 4, 10, upfront, behind, on the side, under the truck bed, on truck top, etc. tow hooks? One we have seems to do the job, and we don't have to show it to people. "Look, ma! I got them big towhooks".
I was at the Den in San Antonio today again, offroading with 2 other tacos. We were sitting around making fun of other trucks (dodges) overlooking the mud pit when an old SAS'ed 198x Toy pickup came around and got stuck in the mud (it was a basher, no 4x4, nearly bold mudder tires). So the 4-banger regcab 4x4 we had with us went down to pull him out. One tug, and it's all it took. Didn't need a big beefy tow hook for it. Didn't need 2 of them. 1 is all that was needed.
as far as mags go: well......do you know of any other UNBIASED RELIABLE source of information regarding Tacoma vs. Ranger? The 4x4 truck of the year contest was not good enough. You don't have to quote the "It's a bestseller truck" line, we've heard it many times and people agree that it means squat.
#781 of 1840 scorpio.......
Mar 31, 2002 (12:26 am)
scorpio> "You don't have to quote the "It's a bestseller truck" line, we've heard it many times and people agree that it means squat."
exactly scorpio- just like your magazine articles. if in fact the "MAGAZINES" meant "squat", dont you think that their opinions would coincide with the buying public's buying preferences?
but isn't the real world a little more convincing than what a magazine SAYS? i mean, i can SAY that the dodge omni was the most reliable and greatest car of the '80's. but just because that was said doesn't mean the buying public went out and bought one. it's one person's opinion. case in point with the tacoma. i can see the 1994 tacoma being the most reliable truck though, beins that it never existed.
scorpio- one question. how would you tow your truck out from the rear if it was buried in mud? no hitch. nah, i wouldn't want a nice towhook back there. man, even ford explorers have rear towhooks on them. dont knock them just cuz you don't have them. every real 4x4 vehicle should have them. not a dinky ONE hidden under the bumper, so you can bend your bumper all up when using it. ask any real off-roader, they wouldn't go anywhere without towhooks if they could have them.
Mar 31, 2002 (8:13 am)
What is the "real world"? Just because a million idiots jumped off a cliff, would you do the same...clearly, 1 million people have found it to be the greatest thing on earth.
Real offroaders don't go anywhere without winches, not towhooks.
The towhooks are bolted to the frame directly. All you have to do is run a chain over the frame. It's no rocket science, tbunder. As far as bending the bumper goes: well, the 4-banger did not bend its bumper up. Neither did I, when I was pulling a 4x4 Ranger out of mud 5 month ago on my first trip to San Ant.
Mar 31, 2002 (8:42 am)
They must cost under 20 bucks a piece. So how is it bad to have more of them given to you free from the dealership? (And mounted and ready for use in a safe place, given the situation arises)
I think I've found a method of this debate. If the other truck has it or is supported by it, it doesn't mean squat, because you choose a different truck...
#784 of 1840 I notice
Mar 31, 2002 (8:56 am)
allknowing is still around.. I wonder where spoog went to??? the good old days.
Same old stories.. Toyota pulling a Ranger out.
I wonder why the Ranger has been the best seller for over 15 years straight.. Don't you think that after 15 years the tide would have turned if the Tacoma was so superior? and so much more reliable? Check msn.carpoint and look under the used vehicle reliability data. The Toyota crowd hates this site, even called it bogus and not true at one point if I remember. You will be surprised at what you find. Ranger proves to be pretty darn reliable....
Mar 31, 2002 (11:29 am)
Lets see if you can answer this:
Mazda B-series is a Ranger with duct tape over the Ford logo, or at least has been until couple years ago. The sales for B-series, however, have been in a hole for years....it sells less than Tacoma.
Now why would that be? They are even offering longer warranty. If Ranger is such a great truck then B-series should have rocked, and it would be #2 selling compact, following Ranger closely.
I don't know why that is. In part it might be that Mazda does not offer as many configs as Ford. Mainly I think it's because Mazda is not a US company.
As far as used vehicle reliability: If toyota trucks are so unreliable, there would be plenty of them sitting around the used car lots with nobody wanting to buy one. I don't see that happening. I got few used car lots around where I live, and every time I drive by I see Explorers, Rangers, Silverados on the lot. Haven't seen a Toy truck there yet.
I'll admit that Tacoma has some problems. Like squeaking dash, that's fixed with $5 worth of purchases at your nearest Home Depot.
As for comments on the msn site...I like this one in particular:
"foren piece of crappe" by "all american boy from the U.S.A"
Cons: its not American.
Review: This truck sucks just like all the other none american vehicals. By a ford its a real truck
Is this what you mean by used vehicle reliability data? Everything about that comment spells "I'm a hillbilly, my name is Billy Bob, I have 10 dogs living under my trailer, I hate Nips".
Majority of people on the carpoint seem to be praising the truck, and few comments like one from Billy Bob...they all say one thing: dash rattles. Well, it's not rattling in my truck. Nor have I got any leaks (yeah, it rains once a month in Austin, but when it does, it pours). I like to think I drive my truck harder than most people. I spent 1.5 hours washing mud off it yesterday. If those reviews are right, hte dash should have fallen off by now, doors would not stop any water, and engine would knock itself from my truck. It's still running fine, though. Just to be fair...have you looked at used Ranger reviews? Tacoma and Ranger run about the same in ratio of "good/bad" in 2002 and 2001 that I saw. Just Ranger severity of problems is higher.
Toyota pulling a Ranger out: yep. It got stuck. I have pictures if you think I'm making it up. However, the point was that I was still able to pull him out without bending the bumper up, like tbunder claimed it would happen.