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Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
Feb 09, 2002 (3:54 pm)
I don't know about "good price when I sell it".
Somehow I get a feeling to me that not many people want used Fords, GMs or Chevys, 4-5 year old ones. I have hard time finding a used Tacoma at the dealer lot, but there's always plenty of Fords sitting there, or somewhere on the side of a road with a "4 Sale" sign. Whats the resale value of a 1996 Ford Ranger these days (given the price for it today)?
Personally, it would be worth the trouble for me. Think about it. Last thing I want happening is having to take my brand new truck in for axle replacement (FX4) after 1 week of owning it.
#391 of 1840 Scorpio, just look
Feb 09, 2002 (4:00 pm)
at the classifieds or "wheel-deals" and check out the asking prices on used Fords versus used Toyotas. I tell you what, every Toyota I've had I've sold with no problems and for a good price. That "19-- Toyota -------, high miles, well maintained with all records, one adult owner, all equipment original..." line sells them everytime.
#392 of 1840 Quality doesn't only mean lonevity...
Feb 09, 2002 (4:25 pm)
What is meant by the word quality does not only mean how long the vehicle will last before it won't crank or run. When I think of quality, I think of a vehicle that you can be very tough on and it still won't let you down. A vehicle you don't have to worry about quitting in the middle of a lpng roadtrip. With my truck, I feel like it will never let me down. I have heard so many testimonies of Taco rangers beating the crap out of their trucks and still driving em back to camp - I really trust my truck to get me anywhere. My mom has had a buick and a chrysler and they both quit on trips with out family. I hated to ride with either one even after thousands of dollars spent at the shop. Is the quality worth the extra price you ask? If you take into account resale value, longevity, and, last but not least, dependability -- Toyotas have the best quality there is. IMO of course.
#393 of 1840 Lets talk volumes, it speaks volumes
Feb 09, 2002 (7:22 pm)
So I visited an especially cocky toyota dealer who told me why toyotas are better. Why their prices are better for resale etc. Sure they are, their fewer of them out there. If DeBeers flooded the market with diamonds, the price would go down. Toyotas have a reputatoni of high quality = high demand. Factor that with not a lot of trucks out there prices go up.
From www.autosite.com market report sales volume.
Truck December 2001 YTD
F-150 84,278 911567
Tundra 9,244 100445
tacoma 12,388 161983
ranger 15972 272460
So ford sells almost as many F Series trucks as toyota sells in a year in one month. Rangers sell 110,000 more per year, increase of 68%.
Not denying they make a great truck, my 92 xcab with 167,000 miles runs better than any s-10 with 75,000 I've seen and better than a jeep with 40,000, but stop being so freaking cocky on pricing. Sick of all these local dealers telling me to piss off because they know they can sell to someone else for just what they want. Anyone else had similar experiences? Almost making me want to buy Ford because they will work for my business.
#394 of 1840 Not just dealers
Feb 09, 2002 (7:47 pm)
Us Toyota owners are arrogent too.Just because our trucks appear to have a slight edge in the 100k plus stories we tend to overlook the fact that we're paying more for a less comfortable, underpowered truck.You're right about volume.That's why scorpio can't find a used Taco.(why would he look anyway)Arrogance could be why he thinks toyotas are built for "upper-middle class".
#395 of 1840 It sounds bad but
Feb 09, 2002 (9:15 pm)
Why shouldn't the dealers act like that? It might not be nice but its the truth. Right after you leave mad, there'll be someone come in that will buy the vehicle you were looking at. Toyota has one of the best names for quality out there, people will buy 'em at that price. So why should a dealer accept less than what can be had for a certain Toyota vehicle? Call it arrogance or what you want - but the fact is there. Would a Mercedes dealer sit there and entertain some complaints from a McDonalds worker who wants to make $200/month payments on a new sedan - No. (gross exaggeration, but that is kinda the way i feel).
#396 of 1840 I don't know what you all are talking about...
Feb 09, 2002 (9:20 pm)
I bought my Tacoma at about 3% over invoice. If somebody is having problems with a Toyota dealer, try a different one. There's plenty of crappy Ford and Chevy dealers out there as well. Ask my dad about them and all the dealer crap he put up with when he had that Plymouth Reliant. His 1986 Reliant never ran as good as his 1975 Corolla with 160K miles. Go figure. That's why we kept the Corolla all those years and unloaded that stupid Reliant.
Feb 10, 2002 (8:03 am)
I could have bought a used Taco. There are people who sell them on ttora board, or pre-announce them. There just wasnt one available close to Texas and in the config. I wanted.
I said that Ranger and Toyota are generally made for lower end of middle class. Whereas Lincoln and Lexus are made for upper end.
And overall.....you know, Ranger just got the new engine that finally gave it an edge over Tacoma. So now Ranger owners are celebrating....they have a reason todo so, for 5 years Tacoma beat them with the same engine.
It's not just 100K+ stories. With the publicity and track record that Ford has, they would have to try real hard to sell one to me. And I'm saying that because I havent owned one yet. (On the other hand, I've owned a Chevy, and will not buy from them again). Somehow having a Toyota gives more peace of mind. Imagine if I bought an FX4. It would have had to be a 207hp with manual tranny (because thats what I drive now), and I would either have snapped the axle at the light somewhere (the way I drive), or would have had to take it in for a recall within 1 week of purchase. How's that for a confidence builder?
#398 of 1840 Confidence builder?
Feb 10, 2002 (8:48 am)
Try working for the government and driving nothing but Fords and Chevys for the past 6 years. No way, no how would I buy one...
#399 of 1840 scorpio
Feb 10, 2002 (9:10 am)
I just re-read #371,sorry,I misunderstood.You're right.Ford and toyota are selling to the same merket.Lexus and lincoln also compete with each other in THIER market.There are plenty of used Tacos here in CA,but I've been told there are more of them on the road here than other states.I love my taco but I did'nt feel obligated to leave it in stock form.I replaced the seats at 3 mo(Astro van) and 4500 mi.A year later I gave it a 4" lift and 12.50x33's.Finally,and I know I'll take heat for this,I replaced the rear axle with a detroit locked Ford 9"(There was no locking diff for the v6 in '95)
BTW can't wait till there's aftermarket pistons for my GMC 8.1