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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII - READ ONLY

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#1821 of 1840 None taken by h0udini

Oct 02, 2002 (1:55 pm)

But I would still like an explanation, especially from the "all knowing stang" or "tbunder1," as to how a 90 degree V6 is better balanced than a V8. And I don't care if they cut, paste or plagiarize.
 
As far as textbooks go, may I suggest "Grammar for Dummies" to tbunder1? I ought to cut and paste his messages, send them to Simpson along with a note admonishing them for what they let squeak through their cracks...

#1822 of 1840 tbunder by sc0rpi0

Oct 02, 2002 (2:08 pm)

It's called "fair use". Yes, Pluto should have cited the reference, but there is no reason to jump up yelling "Edmunds! You are about to get sued!"....you make it sound like you have lost an arguement and say "Well, you're ugly!".

#1823 of 1840 Actually, houdini by midnight_stang

Oct 02, 2002 (2:17 pm)

I never said, nor care, how a 90 degree v6 is, or is not, better balanced than a v8.
 
Scorp->Yes Pluto should have cited the link, and given the author acknowledgment. What he did was, according to copyright laws, illegal. It especially looks bad when he tries to pass it off as his own creation. Even if he says he obtained the information through "research", that doesn't excuse it.
 
And Finally, Tbunder said "who needs a V8 when you have a balanced V6 producing over 200 horses and lb/ft of torque?"
 
You guys are making the extrapolation that a V6 exhibits better internal balance characteristics over a v8!
 
Saddaddy-->Any update on your stang?

#1824 of 1840 They know they lost so by plutonious

Oct 02, 2002 (2:21 pm)

they'll throw in whatever distraction they can.
 
I suppose now would be a bad time to inform **TBUNDY** the Tacoma has a "nicely balanced" 60 degree V6, while his Liberty has an unnaturally balanced 90 degree V6 with a power-robbing counter-rotating balance shaft.
 
That's probably because the Liberty's V6 is build on the same assembly line as Jeep's V8 to cut costs. I suppose that's what **TBUNDY** was referring to when he said Jeep is using Mercedes' production techniques, LOL!

#1825 of 1840 by lariat1

Oct 02, 2002 (2:35 pm)

"obviously you're living in the past. but the liberty has it all over any past cherokee. more power and torque is the first thing i can think of. who needs a V8 when you have a balanced V6 producing over 200 horses and lb/ft of torque?"
 
That quote is directly from tbunds post that started all this. Now it does not take much over a 3rd grade education to understand the above statement.
I could be wrong but from what I can tell there is no mention of a V-6 being balanced better than a V-8, it merely states that the V-6 in the Liberty is balanced (I think it is safe to assume it is balanced to reduce vibration.) and that the V-6 has sufficient power to outperform the engine available in the old Cherokee.
Pluto, you say that you proved me wrong with your cut and paste info, now does it not state in the article that a counter rotating balance shaft is used to suppress the vibration? The last time I started a V-6 engine I did not notice any more vibration than a V-8 so I would definitely say it was nicely balanced.
Have you figured out what a "boxer" engine is?
Also since you dont like the V-6 because it is not "perfectly balanced" it is only logical that you do not own a V-6 Tacoma due to the excessive vibration from the unbalanced engine, either that you are very dissapointed in your choice of vehicle and secretly wish for a V-8.

#1826 of 1840 Not to fuel the fire or anything, but by h0udini

Oct 02, 2002 (2:35 pm)

everybody here should go to midnight_stang's post #1658. He posted copyrighted pictures of a Ranger from http://www.autoworld.com.my/userimages/items/2002-08/ford-ranger-splash.jpg and didn't cite his source.

Let's all stand back, take a deep breath, and watch the "all knowing" midnight_stang redirect his copyright babble upon himself...

#1827 of 1840 me again by nra1871

Oct 02, 2002 (2:37 pm)

>my slider didn't leak at all. what year of ranger do you have? is it 4x4? what engine?
 
Its not a slider, just a solid window. Not a 4x4, 3L pinging engine.
 
>id really drive a new ranger before you buy any toyota. ford trucks are just over built compared to any tacoma. sit the two side by side. look at frame thickness, driveshaft thickness, axles, etc. the ford is just more heavy duty built and also has more power and torque.
 
Most likely I'm getting a 4x4 tacoma with the 2.7 4. It's got the same hp (150hp vs 154 for the ranger) and torque (177lb/ft vs 180) as my 6, which isnt saying much for my engine.
 
>check out a new FX4 Level II. that truck is bad ass. and now that toyota is using its same torsen lsd, im sure it's okay now.
 
At this point Im not concerned about looking bad ass, I want reliability, something to take me into the woods when I go hunting and fishing, and to haul "stuff" around when I need to. And Id personally rather have a locker I can engage when I want to.

#1828 of 1840 LMAO by midnight_stang

Oct 02, 2002 (2:48 pm)

Actually, that image is from a truck (or lorrie) for sale, and is not intellectual property of anything. If I take a picture of a ranger, Ford can't sue me.
 
Notice the subdirectory, USERIMAGES? Have a nice day.

#1829 of 1840 lariat1 by plutonious

Oct 02, 2002 (2:54 pm)

OK, let me PARAPHRASE what the website is saying:
 
A cross-plane V8 suffers a small degree of end-to-end vibration. It simply uses counter-balances to eliminate the vibration.
 
A flat-plane V8 is perfectly balanced. It does not suffer from end-to-end vibration.
 
ALL V6s suffer from end-to-end vibration. A 60 degree V6 suffers from this problem, but not to the extent a 90 degree V6 does. The 90 degree V6 requires a balancing shaft to eliminate the vibration, but at the expense of more inertial resistance.
 
With that in mind, would it be logical for somebody with their 90 degree V6 to say "who needs a V8 when you have a balanced V6..."? If anything is better balanced, it's the V8, especially in this case.
 
I like my Tacoma V6 very much, as I'm sure **TBUNDY** likes his Liberty. It just seems I have a little more automotive knowledge than **TBUNDY** and recognize engineering compromises, which is exactly what a V6 is.

#1830 of 1840 Pluto you missunderstand by midnight_stang

Oct 02, 2002 (2:57 pm)

The issue is not the balancing, it's that he's got plenty of power with the V6. That's the statement he made, You have made up the rest.

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