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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII - READ ONLY
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What is this discussion about? Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
#1696 of 1840 You guys are wrong... by plutonious
Sep 24, 2002 (1:23 pm)
Here's what the maroney on the Ranger I drove says:RANGER 2002 4X4 XLT SUP CAB
4.0 SOHC V6 ENGINE
5-SPD AUTOMATIC O/D TRANS
VIN 1FTZR45E92T A56402
Standard equipment INCLUDED AT NO EXTRA CHARGE
Safety/Security:
-driver and pass srs air bag
-4-whl anti-lock pwr brakes
-adj height frt seat belts
-side intrusion door beams
-rear high mount stop lamp
-24 hr roadside assistance
-securilock
Functional:
-5-speed manl transmission
-rack and pinion pwr steer
-independent sla frt suspen
-gas-filled shocks
-trailer tow wire harness
-100k mile tune-up interval
-intermittent front wipers
Exterior:
-4-door cab feature
-P245/75Rx16 A/T OWL tires
-16" aluminum wheels
-fog lamps
-front tow hooks
-bed rail covers
-chrome frt and rear bumpers
-solar tint glass
-rear sliding window
(color is oxford white cc)
Interior:
-am/fm cd player w/clock
-leather wrapped strg wheel
-tilt strg wheel/speed cont
-cloth 60/40 split bench st
-rr vinyl jump seats
-day-night rear view mirror
-passenger side grab handle
-color keyed carpeted mats
-color keyed cloth visors
-floor consolette
-tachometer
(has medium prairie tan cloth 60/40 split bench)
Warranty:
-3/36 bumper to bumper
Key standard equipment:
-MP3 audio player
-speed control/tilt strg wheel
-leather wrap steering wheel
-sliding rear window
-fog lamps
-wheels, aluminum 16"
Price information MSRP
Standard vehicle price...............$22,210
Optional equipment at EXTRA CHARGE
-2002 model year
-oxford white cc
-prairie tan cloth
-XLT trim
-4.0L SOHC V6 engine
-5-spd automatic o/d transmission....$1,000
-4.10 ratio regular axle
-air conditioning......................$650
-front license plate bracket
-trailer tow, class III ___________
TOTAL VEHICLE AND OPTIONS............$23,860
DESTINATION/DELIVERY....................$610
___________
TOTAL BEFORE DISCOUNTS...............$24,470
AIR CONDITIONING DISCOUNT..............-$650
TOTAL SAVINGS..........................-$650
TOTAL MSRP...........................$23,820
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No PW or PDL and this truck stickers for almost $24,000. So much for your "no Ranger can cost $23,800 and not come with PW and PDL" theory. Makes me wonder how truthful you folks are when it comes to how much your trucks really costed you.
Tbundy, your comment on seat height being the same in the Tacoma and Ranger is not only irrelevant but probably just plain wrong (imagine that...). The fact is, seat height aside, the Ranger offers no whiplash protection for taller guys like me, the Tacoma does with its headrests. Case closed. And as far as brakes go - I was "standing on them" not "braking normally." If that wouldn't engage the ABS, I don't know what would. But it was obvious the truck couldn't stop like my non ABS Tacoma.
Oh, and as far as your comments go regarding my being at a Ford dealership - well, let's just say I back up my posts here with research and facts and not whatever made-up nonsense comes to mind at any given moment...or lies, like your little truck jumping stories...
#1697 of 1840 What pluto... by midnight_stang
Sep 24, 2002 (3:34 pm)
What pluto doesn't realize, is the significant difference between MSRP and actual cost to buyers. If you pay MSRP, then I can see what you are so critical over head rests. Next time look at the Bucket seats.And I definitely believe pluto when "standing on the brakes" hardly produces any noticeable effect, especially on a new truck. Sure buddy.
The next ranger...
Just kidding...
#1698 of 1840 Not so, stang by plutonious
Sep 24, 2002 (4:27 pm)
Oh, so the argument goes from "No way a Ranger that stickers for $23,800 comes without PW and PDL" to "What pluto doesn't realize, is the significant difference between MSRP and actual cost to buyers." Nice try, you're good at cheap shots, huh?What you don't realize is I didn't pay MSRP either. MSRP for my Tacoma TRD was $24,800 and my DRIVE-OUT was $22,500. Sorry, bub, but you can't even compare any 1998 Ranger to my truck because back then no Ranger came even close to being equipped like the Tacoma TRD (same story today, BTW). Sure, buying a Tacoma is a little more expensive than a Ranger, but not the $3K-$4K you would like us to believe - unless you try and compare mis-matched models, we've been down that road. Besides, deep down we both know (ouch for you!) than any purchase price difference will be more than refunded back to me with my truck's MUCH better resale. And that's a fact, Jack! Good luck selling your Ranger, it's damn near impossible, they're a dime a dozen and nobody wants 'em - swallow the fact you'll have to trade it in and get bent over!
"'And I definitely believe pluto when "standing on the brakes" hardly produces any noticeable effect...'" What can I say? Compared to my Tacoma's brakes, the Ranger's are ineffectual and not noticeable!
Bucket seats? Like the surf-board seats in the Expeditions with no headrest either? How's that going to fix anything?
#1699 of 1840 pluto is correct .. and incorrect by bess
Sep 24, 2002 (4:57 pm)
I was incorrect. In 2002, on the XLT's it costs an extra $350 to get the power windows/locks/mirrors/keyless entry from the factory (package 47F).
The closest matching Tacoma
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/toyota/tacoma/4drdoublecabv64wdsb34l6cyl4a/standard.html?id=lin0014
it doesn't have cruise control.
it doesn't have the larger tires
it doesn't have 16" aluminium rims
it doesn't have CD or MP3 player
it doesn't have antilock brakes
it doesn't have the sliding rear window
it doesn't have the trailer wiring
it doesn't have a tachometer
it doesn't have A/C
Add those (at a cost of around $3400) to the Tacoma, to match the Ranger you quoted above and you'll find the Tacoma price is quite a bit higher than the Ranger.
#1700 of 1840 Bess, I don't even think you could by plutonious
Sep 24, 2002 (5:32 pm)
find a Tacoma equipped as such on a lot, so it's hard to say how much more it would sticker for than the Ranger. What I'm getting at is for all the hype I've heard about the Ranger being SO MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE than the Tacoma, it was a shock to see a "plain-Jane" Ranger stickering for almost $24,000. No FX4 package (with no locker, either), no 6 disk CD changer, no power windows, no power locks, no power mirrors, no bucket seats, no strong warranty, etc. Get my drift?Tbundy, if you're reading, you'll be heart-broken to hear that Toyota's new 4.0 V6 (same displacement as your beloved Ford 4.0) in the 4Runner makes 245 horses and 285 lb/ft torque. Prepare to kiss your old arguments good-bye when they put it in the Tacoma!
Who's your daddy?
Oh well, at least you got to feel what it was like to be on top of the HP war, albeit for a very short time...
#1701 of 1840 bess by sc0rpi0
Sep 24, 2002 (5:32 pm)
You're comparing a DoubleCab Tacoma (with 4 doors, yes....but with 2 rows of seats, Rangers have suicide doors, but they are not doublecabs) with an Xtracab Ranger.How about taking my Tacoma for example? I have a 2002 Xtracab, 4x4 SR5 TRD V6 with manual.
MSRP on it was around 23,400, and I took it home for $21400 + TTL.
Yes, it did not have cruise control.
It did have large 16" tires with alum rims, CD player, sliding rear window, tach and AC.
It didn't have ABS, but it's a $300 option. And it did have power windows/mirrors too.
All it boils down to is that posted Ranger price is very close to a comparable Tacoma price, IF you compare appropriate models. Don't compare DCs to Ranger does not have Doublecab model at all.
#1702 of 1840 pluto...... by tbunder1
Sep 25, 2002 (12:59 am)
ok, i see.you are looking at a 2002 or 2003 model. in which, power windows, locks, mirrors was a pkg option. i see it's a whole $300. add that to the price and you're right at $24000. i still don't believe you. my '01 stickered at $23900. it had every option available back in '01. i have a picture of the sticker if you want to see it.
talk is cheap. let's see some actual tacoma's with this new engine. do you not think that ford will offer its 4.6 (which has even more torque than any of those engines you mentioned which is still the most important thing in any truck right?) or some new V8 when the new ranger comes out? and heck, that could be in three or four years and ranger would still outsell tacoma in its old design- even with it's new "awesome" iforce V8. even so, my little 3.7 power-tech will pull you around the trails all day long.
ps. is your bed rusting out yet on that old '98?
#1703 of 1840 tbundy, if you don't believe me, all by plutonious
Sep 25, 2002 (4:31 am)
you have to do is call any Ford dealership and tell them the VIN number (1FTZR45E92T A56402). They will be able to pull up the sticker off their secure dealer network website. I'm looking at the sticker the dealer printed for me as I type right now.You're forgetting that if Toyota puts their 4.7 V8 in the Tacoma (like they're doing with the 4Runner, its sister vehicle), the 4.7 outperforms the Ford 4.6 (and GMC 4.8) - and not just in power but in smoothness and refinement as well. Why do you think the Ford and Chevy guys never compare these engines to the Toyota?
Talk is cheap, huh? Put your money where your mouth is and give us your VIN number then. I'll be able to tell you EXACTLY what your truck had and what it stickered for.
So, my truck is "old" because it's a 1998 model? You see, it's all relative. From a Ford owner's perspective, it IS old. From a Toyota owner's perspective, it's just getting broken in and the best is yet to come.
Oh yeah, no rust. And no broken fuel pumps either...
#1705 of 1840 With all due respect, stang, by plutonious
Sep 25, 2002 (6:54 am)
learn to R-E-A-D. This argument isn't about invoices and suggested prices. You guys said no-way no-how a $23,800 sticker-priced Ranger doesn't come with PW and PDLs. You guys said it would be loaded.It ain't. Not even close. Case closed. Prove me wrong.
Suckers pay the MSRP, huh? Who are you referring to? I paid $22,500 drive-out and the truck's MSRP was $24,800. And I bought the truck for a few hundred dollars over invoice.
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