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Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
Aug 13, 2002 (8:27 pm)
Nothing changes in this room.
Obi, I have a 1998 Ranger with about 70,000 trouble free miles on it, and had a 93 Ranger with about 106,000 trouble free miles on it.. I have been in this chat room since 1998 when I purchased my Ranger. I never heard the end of it from the Toyota crowd, "its junk", "unreliable" yada, yada, yada... I paid 19,600 for this truck, loaded 4x4, stepside supercab.. Noway could I even touch a Tacoma for under 22K with the same options. So your resale better be higher, Toyota owners pay more.. How do you think Toyota just made record profits?? Hello....
I was going to sell this truck, but have decided to keep it. I now own a Honda Accord, Ford Escape and a Ford Ranger. The Accord has been in the shop 3x since 2000, Escape 0, Ford 0.. Please, someone explain to me how this has happened???
Aug 13, 2002 (8:53 pm)
I guess it makes sense not to spend money on junk like the Escape and the Ranger. The Accord is the only vehicle you own with any resale value and worth keeping up.
Aug 15, 2002 (9:37 am)
Another point that I noticed, Scape cuts Toyota for producing less Tacomas that Rangers etc., but admits that Toyota made a record profit. Ford is currently in the red so I guess Ford could learn a thing or two from Toyota.
#1444 of 1840 Liberty vs. Tacoma.......
Aug 15, 2002 (12:08 pm)
I think that the Liberty is a funny looking little rig and from what I've been told it is marketed toward women. Well, I hope you enjoy your ride. I would never trade a pick up truck for that miniature jeep. How do you plan to haul snow machines, four wheelers, lumber, etc. I guess we know who really uses their trucks on this web site.
Take care and I'll see you in the woods playing with toys for the big boys..........Steelman.
Aug 15, 2002 (4:13 pm)
Funny you should mention the lack of haul, the last time time I checked the Liberty had more Hp, more torque, and can tow the same amount as a Tacoma.
Aug 15, 2002 (9:33 pm)
Some people are desparate, are they not?
I can hear the dueling banjo's now!
#1447 of 1840 as expected- well, steelman.........
Aug 15, 2002 (10:49 pm)
put your money where your mouth is. i personally invite you to a duel with my "woman vehicle" off-road. i hate to tell you this, but the liberty is probably more maneuverable off-road than your taco could ever be. it has shorter front and rear overhangs, 8 full inches of wheel travel front and rear, wider track, and it will turn on half a dime. not to mention what's already been pointed out to you like more power, torque, a real transfer case, dana axles, etc.
im not saying it's better off-road, i dont know. i haven't taken it off-road my man. but reading and viewing the actual videos of the liberty on jeeps site taken by car and driver, there isn't many places a liberty can't go. and these videos were taken with the crappy oem "all terrain" tires. i traded mine in on some BFG all-terrains. again, lets go see just how female oriented a liberty is. you make me laugh. it's easy to see whose jealous around here.
ps. true "snowmachiners" call their "snowmachines" snowmobiles- what the manufacturers call them. snowmachines make snow. don't have a four-wheeler. just got a new harley. don't need lumber, just bought a new house. plus, with my seats folded down, i have more room than a DC bed. one more thing, i hate to say it, but my jeep's a-arms are cast iron. they're not off a camry. sorry guys. but it's true. also, the liberty is actually larger, and wider than the cherokee it replaces. so to call it a "mini jeep" just shows how far you're reaching, not to mention your ignorance.
you always say something to the effect of "ill see you in the brush or in the trails". well, the trails you're driving on were probably made by a jeep. and chances are, the trails that YOU so call "trails", are probably a lot deeper than you'll ever know. ever heard of rubicon?
Aug 16, 2002 (7:17 am)
Rubicon was not made famous by Liberty. A bunch of TTORA guys went there just over a couple of weeks ago. Looks like they had a blast and held their ground.
Just because it bears a name Jeep does not automatically mean it's the best thing since sliced bread. I've seen Liberty offroad. We had a guy tag along with us one one of the runs. He had a 3" susp lift on, dinky stock tires. He went through a 2-foot step (after stacking 1 foot worth of rocks), tore off the entire corner of his plastic bumper and busted the windshield washer fluid reservour while doing it. He just didn't care....that bumper sure looked like it was made of weak plastic. I've seen Tacos bust up their bumpers: ours hold up.
It is a mini jeep: it's an SUV that is designed to appeal to middle class' needs like grocery getting, soccer-team hauling with great ride comfort and numerous luxury features, while giving people the magic "4x4". Jeep Wrangler you could take places, bang the hell out of it, and then go some more places, and you wouldn't care. Liberty is this thing you buy to keep up with the Joneses to make it look like you offroad. Of course, needless to say that you can't lift it any, because it will look REALLY ridiculous (not to mention dangerous, given its' short wheelbase, tipping over forward or backwards is a piece of cake), you'd be stuck with 30x9.5xR15 tires. It may come from a family of offroaders, but that don't make it one.
Aug 16, 2002 (10:45 am)
Ya, what he said.
I'll see you in those hard to reach (and currently very dusty) places in the heart of the great north woods.........Steelman.