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Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
Aug 07, 2002 (8:59 am)
I have no idea how military selects their equipment. Well, I do, sort of: number of companies in a field compete for government contract to develop and produce X type of a weapon. The military makes their decision based on the price tag and how good the equipment is, given the specifications.
So no, they don't read CR. Instead, military personnel engages in field testing of prototypes.
So while I don't take CR too seriously, I would pay attention to other magazines. FourWheeler, for one.
And yes, nobody will dispute your statement about "i'd bet that there are a ton more rangers on the road still working than any toyota truck": It is true, but the wrong reasons. Seeing how Ford flooded the market with Rangers, yes, there are more Rangers out there than Tacomas. It's simple numbers. What would be more interesting to see is ratio of units sold say....7 years from now, to units still on the road (and rust buckets don't count). But since we can't get these numbers, we'll just have to say that "Yes, tbunder, you are correct, there are more Rangers on the road".
You think Ford is so much better. I disagree. Seeing the string of "accidents" happening to Ford, one can only wonder: why is it happening? Toyota doesn't make tires for their trucks and cars.
Why is it that when I look at recall info for 2002 Tacoma vs 2002 Ranger (4WD top of the line engine), I see two serious TSBs for Tacoma: off-center steering wheel and a pull to one side (And no, TSB that says "seat belt extender" is not "your seat belts don't work" that you've tried to say before), and for Ranger I see:
timing chain rattle.
fluid leaking from front axle vent.
shift interlock, inadvertent disabling (whoopsie)
heater core: repeated failures.
This is 2002 models: Both Ranger and Tacoma came off a slight redesign in 2000. Who's got more problems?
Aug 07, 2002 (5:01 pm)
He actually got a Ranger that is not falling apart!
What is that? Like 1/50?? Good job, dude.
And by the way, I never said I HATED Ford, just Rangers. Oh, and I don't like you very much because you know about as much as me when it comes to trucks....
Aug 07, 2002 (10:26 pm)
sad- the military uses tacoma's simply for one reason- they have a crew cab option. simple as that. ranger doesn't have this, frontier not as off-road oriented, dakota too big and s10 too low to the ground as the ZR2 isn't offered in crew cab configuration.
scorp- YOU need to look at a current issue of four-wheeler magazine, and not keep pondering on that nearly five year old article (pluto's favorite). the latest offering by toyota tacoma could only muster third place. what gives? it got beat by a dodddddddggggggggeeeeeeee. u proud of that one? but hey, its four-wheeler and what they say goes, right? hilarious.
obi- you're not worth the time. but ill waste a little anyways. it's obvious you know nothing about trucks, but please don't try to hide your own ignorance by trying to spread it onto others who have superior knowledge as compared to you. when you say that gm products are in the same category as the ranger and tacoma, things are real clear where you come from.
scorp, one more thing. you say ford "floods" the market with rangers. this may be true, but why do they do this? easy- because people buy them. is that so hard to understand? if toyota built as many tacomas as ford did rangers, there would be heaps of tacomas sitting around because dealers simply wouldn't be able to sell them.
it's clear who the public chooses year in and year out for their compact pickup needs. the ford ranger. you toyota guys hate this and hate to acknowledge it. it has more power, torque, towing, standard features, options, and it's cheaper. accept it.
Aug 08, 2002 (5:10 am)
You might want to check out the edmunds user ratings on the S-10 and Ranger. For the last 4 years, Ranger is on top, and receives the "Used Car Best Bet" accolade. If you really own a Tacoma, better stick to that comparison. That is the only way you can win in quality arguments.
People say what they want to hear. Anyone making blanket statements should know their folly.
Aug 08, 2002 (6:57 am)
Hehe, there is no way to refute the military stuff. They don't use the tacoma b/c of the crew cab option. Heck, that back seat really isn't that big. You think they only buy the airplanes that seat the most people, since you like that analogy so much. Not a chance, buddy. You lost big time on this one and there is no way out of it. The military picked the best truck, the one that they knew could handle the job the best and you know it. Be a man and stop downplaying this fact just b/c it makes a Toyota look good. I would be the first to give the Ranger props if the military used it, but they don't.
#1420 of 1840 the military uses the Tacoma, he says...
Aug 08, 2002 (8:21 am)
ONLY because... - for the ONLY reason that... - SOLELY because...
and then he says that they don't use crew cab frontiers b/c they aren't off road oriented and not GMs cuz they are too low.
Sounds to me like you meant to say that they use tacomas for a variety of reasons including the crew cab option. Hehe, I know its tuff to "negativize" this one - its showing, tbunder. And how is a Dakota too big when there is a giant 1980 something Chevy blazer all camoed up in the background of those pics. ROTFLMAO!
Aug 08, 2002 (9:45 am)
You know, given enough ads on TV and lower prices, people'll buy nearly anything. VW Bug sold millions of cars, does that make it a good vehicle? No...I wouldn't own one if it was given to me for free. And yes, this year Taco did get beat by Dodge....those Tohico shocks don't stay on trucks for long. Everyone I know runs either Bilsteins or Rancho. We lost this year because testers didn't like "roughness of the ride", well, it was an offroad competition. Big deal.
You know, it's not like Toyota dealers are sitting there thinking "How the heck am I going to get rid of all these Tacomas in my lot?". They sell, and sell well. Toyota achieves their quota for the year. It's a different business plan, not lack of popularity with buyers.
#1422 of 1840 Just an effort to take some credibility
Aug 08, 2002 (10:56 am)
away from whatever test Dodge won. Does anyone know if the Dodge tester used in the competition had the 20in" rims on it? Cuz if it did, it just goes to show how little the testers really know. That would prove that they were looking for the prettiest grocery getter that still said 4x4 on the tailgate, and nothing more.
Aug 08, 2002 (11:52 am)
You are right, Ford products are better than GM. Hands down....
Now you do have PROOF that Ford is better, right? Not just articles with peoples opinion, but PROOF, right?
Aug 08, 2002 (12:25 pm)
Let's relax a bit on the toss-down-the-gauntlet style challenges. Since "the best" is usually pretty subjective, I doubt anyone's ever going to be able to come up with concrete proof that will satisfy even the most ardent Ford/GM/Toyota/etc. advocate.
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