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Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
Aug 01, 2002 (7:08 am)
On the percentage of supercharged 3.4l's vs naturally aspired 3.4l's in Tacomas. I would bet that a great majority are N/A. So why would Toyota install larger injectors into all v6 Tacomas, if it only solved supercharged pinging(which in your own words, is about 10% of all supercharged applications)? In the nature of statistics, the injector upgrade sounds funny when defined as a fix that only applies to a fraction of a fraction of 3.4l owners. Why not just make the injectors part of the supercharger kit?
It would seem the blanket injector upgrade would apply to an issue with the 3.4l itself, either a problem or enhancement to it's operation.
Car and driver recently published an article on the "American Iron" or North American full size trucks. If the Silverado has such a bad design, why would it rank 2nd over the Tundra(3rd). The Dodge ram came in first, with the f-150 in 4th place. The silverado has a dated exterior, but has one of the most refined, civilized ride, some decent power, and one of the best fuel economies in the genre. The silverado does NOT knock from the factory. My father and my boss both own a 2002 extended cab with vortec v8. Both are smooth as butter, and has a nice feel from the ride, even in the back seat.
"sad: The army officials don't want to be charged with terrorism and saboutage for using Ford and Chevy Imagine army having to send trucks back to dealerships replace rear axles because lockers imploded."
"If you don't want to start anything in the future, don't make sarcastic posts. "
I take it you wanted to start something?
Lastly it is a fools debate to say simply headers on a Toyota 3.4l would surpass the Ford 4.0l in stock trim. If you are going to update one engine, the other should have the same benefit.
saddady, nice tacoma picks. Maybe the armed forces wanted a crew cab? That's why you don't see any Rangers...
#1392 of 1840 Mexico Bound 92 Truck Maintenance Items???
Aug 01, 2002 (7:31 am)
What should I have done to my 92 Toy 4X4 pickup before going to Mexico?
160,000 miles. Replaced new clutch, new water pump, timing belt already.
Also, what spares should I bring along with me?
I will be gone two years.
Aug 01, 2002 (8:56 am)
Im not trying to renig here or anything, but I will speak for myself in saying to not hold me to any of the percentages I speak of. I am just giving a guesstimate at best.
The Car and Drive part -- go back a few years and you will see that they simply always go with the newest in most of their comparos. I think the Tundra won its first year (how, I have no idea) in a similar contest. As far as the Silverados, some do knock from the factory as I have learned from browsing the topics here. Most don't however, and my dad just bought a new one which I do like to a certain extent. It does have a few problems at its 4 month age, which is not sitting well with my opinion of the trucks. Smooth does describe them well, though.
As far as the army pics, I wasn't trying to put down the Ranger (not sure if it sounded that way). I read a document from a military newspaper, that said they just wanted to use Yotas cuz they blend in better. Take that for what its worth. There have been stories of some leaving the country with gun turrets, ungodly roll bars and lots more. Sounds pretty cool. Have a good lunch! l8rs
Aug 01, 2002 (9:33 am)
Well, true, I have no idea why they went with bigger injectors on 2001s. But I haven't heard of anyone having problems with 2000- Tacomas b/c of smaller ones. They definitely don't ping when N/A.
Car and Driver: I wonder how it would look to readers if winner of an "American Iron" contest was a Nip truck. While not all Silverados knock, why do I need seeing posts in edmunds from different people on the topic? It can't be a massive conspiracy by other automakers.
And lastly: tbunder said that it's sad that Toyota needs a 2K supercharger to beat Fords' 4.0L power. I told him that it doesn't. Headers would do just fine to bring the 3.4L to the same output.
Aug 01, 2002 (11:56 am)
Scorp: I have been doing research in my Haynes/Chilton and other Toy mechanical books and it appears as if the injectors are the same size. I think the reason why people with 95-00's have more pinging is do to their ECUs.
My 2001 hardly ever pings (I have heard it twice in two years) and when it did I was around 1500 rpms under a heavy load. I now have 25,000 miles on my S/C and 35,000 on the truck and have not had ANY problems with the charger or the truck. Also, there is no need to to re-do the valve body. My tranny is just as firm as it was pre-S/C, just put a heavy duty cooler and put synthetic fluid in the tranny and flush every 40-50,000 miles. As far as cutting engine longevity in half...I have to disagree whole heartedly. With proper maintenance and care it will be just fine, but I guess when I turn a 100,000 I will let you all know if my engine self-combusts:) All I can say is that it is absolutely the best mod I have ever done to my truck, the SAWs are a close second.
Tbunder: TRD tells you that you have to run 92 octane or the next best thing. The higher octane burns slower, therefore reducing pre-detonation. Nissan tells you the exact thing. They will also give you a smaller pulley that will eliminate all ping, but lowers the boost. The charger gives you the best of both worlds, the truck is as quick 90% of cars on the road and can still go just about anywhere I desire. As far as price w/charger becoming $27-$28,000 I think you better find a new dealership to buy from. I paid $21,000 out the door for the Toy. and paid $1800 for the charger. To bad you still didn't have "new" 4.0. I would be glad to show you the difference between 207hp and 265hp:)
Stang: The horror stories I have read here on edmunds and gmpistonslap are enough to prevent me from buying a chevy for a long time.
Aug 01, 2002 (12:19 pm)
Really? It's seem that getting a SplitSecond unit could be cheaper than buying Supra injectors and putting them on. As for tranny stuff: I'm rephrasing info that Gadget posts on his site.
We'll see when you turn 100K: I think that adding load on drivetrain would wear it out faster. Of course, it's one thing when you use charger to pass someone on a freeway once a month, and another if you race from every light and stop sign.
Lucky buy on the charger for $1800: I heard they got more expensive, or was it the new iForce charger?
Aug 01, 2002 (1:10 pm)
I bought my almost 2 years ago and they were much cheaper. I bought my from James Rogriquez at toyotaparts.com and paid no shipping. I am glad I bought it now, because the cheapest I have seen lately is $2300. Knowing what I know now I would still pay that much for it. I have read gadget's site a million times and think the 4runner tranny is "softer" than the Tacomas.
Aug 02, 2002 (12:22 pm)
Plain and simple.
#1399 of 1840 Rangers are crap ??
Aug 02, 2002 (6:50 pm)
I own a 2000 XLT 4x4, 4.0 5 speed auto. This truck varies from crap (when something goes awry) to decent (when the windshield wipers work). If you want quality, buy a Toyota. If you want a cheap truck at less cost, buy a Ranger or S10. However, be forwarned that the depreciation on a Ranger will KILL you. The price of a Ranger will drop like the proverbial rock. Buy a new one for 22K and a year later be happy to get 17K. Good luck.
#1400 of 1840 I always have to laugh...
Aug 03, 2002 (7:41 pm)
at the comments that are continually posted in here. I know it's a Ranger vs. Tacoma message board, but good grief. I've come to realize, diehard Ranger owners, will never like Tacomas, and visa versa. I'll continue to come in here for a quick chuckle..."Mine is better than yours!" LOL!