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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII - READ ONLY
1840 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2002 at 4:10 PM
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What is this discussion about? Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger
#1141 of 1840 "The things you own end up owning you." by midnight_stang
May 12, 2002 (9:04 pm)
LOL, well you are prostrate while getting your prostate poked. Simple misspelling, but you illustrate my point exactly."Well, the current Ranger only has 17 more horses than the 1998 Ranger. Is the 17 horses really going to give the Ranger a land-side victory over the Tacoma, assuming it even beats it? How is that going to help the Ranger dethrone the Tacoma in braking, suspension performance and off-roading?"
207 (new 4.0l) - 160 (old 4.0l) does NOT equal 17. It's 47. Like I said a 30% increase, and that would probably make a huge difference in any contest. The point was the torque has been the same, always over the Tacoma. Torque moves the vehicle. Torque is how much the vehicle can move, horsepower is how quick it can do it. If you want a truck for towing, off-roading, whatever, you should be after torque. Which is what the Ranger had all along.
Braking is different, I don't know the results of any contest (albeit from 1998) and if anything might of significantly changed. However I can say that the Ranger is no slouch when braking. A few feet may be all the difference.
Steering, trucks drive like trucks, but nowhere have I seen anybody complain about on-road manners of a Ranger. In fact, most praise the Ranger's handling (suspension, steering, etc)
"Nice try. The 4.0 is a SOHC design, not a DOHC 4 valve design. Toyota developed the variable intake manifold to eliminate the lack of low end grunt in DOHC 4 valve engines. How could Ford have done the same if they don't have any DOHC engines - at least in mainstream truck applications?"
Did I say that the 4.0L is DOHC? No I did not.
I did say that the vacuum driven plenum has been available before 1998, and more likely since early 90's. I just don't see anything online to back that up, yet. So it's not Toyota specific technology, Ford has been using it for close to, if not over, a decade.
Toyota did this to help give the 3.4l some more guts at lower RPM's, and help counteract the 4-valve tendancies. Ford does this to make the 4.0l breathe better at either high or lower RPM's. A vacuum driven plenum divider doesn't benefit only DOHC.
""Ok, so you were talking about off-roading. But how did the Tacoma exist "since 1992"
I don't even know what you're trying to say with that. Your assumptions are making you look like a, well, you know..."
In your Tacoma preaching, you said something about off-roading since 1992. I said, that's amazing, because the Tacoma didn't even exist back then. If you were trying to defend your off-road experience, I just miss-understood you.
When you were talking to scape2 about LSD and lockers, you were talking about how you drove all over the mud and flooded places in mexico. Then you basically say you can't beat a Locker for off-roading. Then you say...
" If you want to classify what I've been driving in the last decade, be my guest."
That led me to believe you are either full of it, (as how can you be driving a Tacoma for over a decade, because They don't exist), or the last option is you were typing about another vehicle which is subsequently unnamed. What am I supposed to believe?
"And finally: IF YOU DON'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT OFF-ROADING, DON'T GET THE TRD! GET THE REGULAR 4X4 WHICH IS MORE COMPARABLE TO THE RANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GOT IT????????"
Ok, I will do exactly what you tell me to do. I trust your ASCII text better than anything I have ever heard or known...
Ok, I got it...
Oops, I lost it...
#1142 of 1840 Very good, stang! by plutonious
May 12, 2002 (9:32 pm)
"In your Tacoma preaching, you said something about off-roading since 1992. I said, that's amazing, because the Tacoma didn't even exist back then...or the last option is you were typing about another vehicle which is subsequently unnamed"LOL, so if I say I've been off-roading since 1992, that automatically means I've been using a Tacoma? You live in a funny world, one in which the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and pacific and eastern time are reversed!
#1143 of 1840 That's what happens by midnight_stang
May 12, 2002 (9:38 pm)
When you get missunderstood. But is that the fault of the person speaking, or the person listening? Shouldn't most speakers try to be understood by their audience? Sorry to put words in your already full mouth.And the sun only rises in the west on Tuesdays here... £Ç
#1144 of 1840 No, stang, that's what happens when by plutonious
May 12, 2002 (9:45 pm)
you ASSume.By the way, thanks for the correction about the 1998 Ranger having only 160 horses. You're reminding me of why I bought a Tacoma
Good night and be sure to set your alarm clock in the proper time zone! Hint: Central...
#1145 of 1840 Let's back off a bit by PFFlyer@Edmunds HOST
May 13, 2002 (4:11 am)
At some point, you need to realize that positions are NOT going to change (right or wrong) and no matter how much you escalate the rhetoric, it won't change anyone's position.
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#1146 of 1840 so long, bundy by sc0rpi0
May 13, 2002 (6:45 am)
Although I'm sure you'll be back saying that you have "decided" to buy a VW Bug next.#1147 of 1840 even if they never do leave the road by saddaddy
May 13, 2002 (7:45 am)
That still does not change the fact that they were bought with off roading MORE in mind than whatever benefits the LSD brings. That's my point. See what Im saying. Besides I see no tempers raising.Most of your answers the those 3 points were pretty much off base from the idea I was trying to convey because I as directing them towards scape. He might have understood better than you did.
#1148 of 1840 No matter what Stang says........... by issisteelman
May 13, 2002 (12:11 pm)
...the Toyota TRD package is the best offroading package for pick up trucks currently on the market (supplied stock from the factory). As long as you know the truth, smile and move on. Those of us who purchased a Tacoma and ride it off road know how great it really is.Take care...........Steelman.
#1149 of 1840 This is getting good by scape2
May 13, 2002 (7:10 pm)
Offroad... please... I am sure we all need to take the Rubicon to get to work..The TRD package is a marketing gimmick and Toyota has played it well. It proves it in this chat room. A locker is so limited in its use, its owners don't even realize it. And I notice the owners don't like it when someone who actually knows something about lockers tells them that thier precious lockers are NORMALLY OPEN, SPEED LIMITED, and you can't make hard turns with them locked in! Toyota owners hate HP/Torque curves because they know a RAnger will plain stomp the hell out of a Tacoma when having to pull a heavy load up a steep grade.
Fact is most TRD owners buy the Toyota for the TRD sticker and would not know when, where or how to use a locker. Fact is the Ranger is the best all around truck for the everyday user, 13years in a row.
#1150 of 1840 Fact is by plutonious
May 13, 2002 (7:24 pm)
every serious off-roader has or upgrades to a locker, even if it means dumping their LSD.Fact is the Tacoma has beaten the Ranger is every performance test, including towing and hauling.
Fact is you can take a sharp turn with the locker on, as long as you do it off pavement which is what the TRD is all about.
Fact is the Ranger appeals to the everyday user who values MP3 players and mini-van derived LSDs more than real 4x4 equipment.
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