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#8528 of 8531 CRV by motoguy128 Sep 18, 2009 (9:07 am)
I thought you were talking about the 2010 CR-V in terms of it's mileage going up 1mpg.   Although, don't be fooled on the 2010 CR-V. IT makes 180HP now, but in real world driving, there won't be a noticeable increase because most all the gains were above 5000 RPM. Most of it likely above 6000.   On the Escape. Yes, the 2.5L is a big improvement. The 2.3L was getting dated and underperformed in the standard configuration (not the DI or turbo version) and a weak spot for both Ford and Mazda. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Sep 18, 2009 12:17 pm)
#8529 of 8531 Re: CRV [motoguy128] by explorerx4 Sep 18, 2009 (12:17 pm)
Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 18, 2009 9:07 am) i think the biggest difference is the transmission. the '09 3.0 is about 20% more powerful, yet delivers better mileage. it doesn't use direct injection, either. the 6 speed shifts much better than the previous 4 speed.
#8530 of 8531 Economy improvements by motoguy128 Sep 21, 2009 (5:48 am)
An increase in power in a engine is a tricky thing ot evealuate and not a good measure of the engines overall performance. Smoetimes more power is gained by using more fuel, other times it's gained by better overall combustion efficiency, such an increase in the compression ratio.   The transmission was clearly the biggest improvment, but the increase in engine performance may have allowed hte enigne to use a lower gear, where it previously would have unlocked the torque converter or downshifted.   I still think overall the EPA ratings are somewhat suspect. A better measure would be to publush fuel consumption numbers for the vehcile when traveling at a steady speed, and when accerating from a stop to 60mph at a given rate, and holding a given speed up an incline. It would be much more objective than the simulated test cycle the EPA uses now. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Sep 25, 2009 4:41 pm)
#8531 of 8531 Re: Economy improvements [motoguy128] by explorerx4 Sep 25, 2009 (4:41 pm)
Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 21, 2009 5:48 am) i don't care about objective. the real world difference is approaching 20%. pretty good with that.

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