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SUVs Honda CR-V CR-V vs Escape
8531 messages, Last post on Sep 25, 2009 at 4:41 PM
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I've always gotten at least 40k miles out of a set of brakes. If you get less... personally, I think you need ot review your braking habits. Mainly, not staying in the same place after comming to a complete stop. This is what warps rotors. The pads sitting on the hot rotor cause it to cool unenvenly. I think it's also a sign of the overcrowded roads in most metro areas. Thankfully, I've left that rat race. As for manual transmissions. I enjoy driving them...for a while. But with my commute of 8-10 stops signs or lights over a 3 miles drive...it gets very tedious. It definitely has it's advantages, but with the newer automatics and CVT's it's claim over better mileage is no loger true in many cases. Also factor in lower resale value (demand is very low for manuals), limited dealer inventories, and on long trips almost every manula turns much higher RPM while makes for less relaxed crusing. In my last car, the difference was almost 1000 RPM. In the Honda Civic, it's at least 500 RPM and highway mileage is lower. Some folks need to get over themselves, and realize at some point, shoving on a 3rd pedal is not nessesary, and is slowly becomming obsolete by better technology. Yes race cars use manuals...although F1 cars are semi-automatic because they shift faster than a human can otherwise. But they use manuals because they are lighter, more compact, simplier, and transmit power more directly. Automatics like the VW DSG blur the line between manual and automatic. At some point arguing for manual transmissions will be a little like complaining because the engine has FI, automatic chokes, vacuum assits brakes and an electric starter. ALL of these technologies were questioned when they first came out in their initial development cycles. While automatics aren't new, it's not easy ot better thte perfomance on a manual transmission... but it will eventually be accomplished. On topic...as the the Escape. To each his own, but it lookes like a mini Explorer...which is not a compliment. It's boring and boxy. If you like that great, but I like a little bit of styling in my vehciles... and less chrome in the front. Ford has greatly improved theri vehciles... but not enouhg for me to buy one.
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Aug 27, 2009 8:22 am) That's only partially right. You have to overheat them to the point that they would cool unevenly first. Driving style still dictates that too but just sitting in one spot with the pads up against the rotors does not always warp a rotor. We have hills, some very big and some not, everywhere around here so the brakes get heated up pretty darn fast which doesn't help. If the terrain where you live is more on the flat side then your brakes are destined to last longer. Just one more of the many factors that cause warped rotors. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 27, 2009 8:02 am)
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Replying to: vg33e power (Aug 27, 2009 9:48 am) Keep breathing, the dog days of summer will soon be gone. 
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 27, 2009 10:20 am) |
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Aug 27, 2009 8:22 am) i had my doubts about the plastic chromies, but they are easy to clean, as advertised. |
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Is anyone actually cross shoping these vehicles now, or are we just talking Odyssey brakes, Nissan motors and lawn motors? Anybody recently cross shop them? PS-I had a Craftsman with a Briggs and Stratton, and a Bolens with a Briggs and Stratton. Neither compares to the Honda mower. Pay the extra $100 for a product that will always work properly and last twice as long. It's like buying a Weber grill, Levis jeans or a Polo shirt. They work better, feel better and last longer. And because they last much longer, they are cheaper in the long run. |
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Nope. the Escape looks like a Mini Ford Explorer...and thats's not a compliment. It' a little ugly box. Sorry. That's the extent of my cross shopping. Also, on the spec sheet, it doesn't have as much interior flexibility as the CR-V. The upgraded pwoertrains are at least a big step forward. Ultimately I don't expect it to steer or handle like a Honda. But for those that just puch pedals and turn the wheel where they want to go, and don't care, it's probably a perfectly good alternative.
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 14, 2009 9:23 am) What do you mean by "interior flexibility". I know that the rear window on the Escape can be opened independently of the rear door, something the CRV and RAV4 don't have. This has been useful to me on Pathfinder for carrying long things like mouldings and 2 x 4s from Home Depot, or taking things to the dump. It's just added flexibility. I am sure it doesn't stop or handle lke a Honda. |
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Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 14, 2009 9:23 am) I owned a gen2 CR-V, and I liked the car. However, when it came time to buy new, I simply hated the styling of the Gen3, and I like the classic styling of the Escape. That "boxy shape" provides a much more usable interior over the rounded shapes of the other vehicles. And I also like the separate glass window opening instead of a fixed rear window. But then I am a person who puts functionality over style (although I like the Escape style). |
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