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#8456 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4]
by vg33e power
Aug 19, 2009 (10:47 am)
By "bones" I take it you are referring to chassis. I have owned both and I agree that the Escape feels more substantial and much heavier..think solid. Perhaps the "heavier" feel hinders its handling because my wife's 2004 Limited feels lethargic when it comes to handling...not very nimble at least in comparison with the CR-V. The CR-V also is not very keen on the handling avenue but a bit better then the Escape. The CR-V does take the ege on fit and finish and quality of materials and build over the Escape if you ask me. So the Escape may have the "bones" you refer to but when it comes to fit. finish and quality of materials the CR-V takes the win.
BTW, if you want to compare apples to apples. I would take my wife's 2004 Escape Limited 4X4 over the 2005 and newer Escapes just for the sole reason that 2004 and older Escapes had a dedicated 4X4 switch in which you can turn on the 4WD system as in a conventional shift on the fly type and when off it acted just like what Ford now calls "Intelligent 4WD" which essentally turns on when it senses slippage....hmmm guess what? that type of system was already in place since 2001 in all 4WD Escapes it just never had a name plus CR-V has only had that type of system as well. So in reality 2005 and newer Escape became more gussied up and more like CR-V's...no thanks I will keep our 2004 in which I can let the computer turn on my 4WD if need be or I have the option to turn it on constantly. So does the Escape have more bones then CR-V? maybe but not much at least not your 2009. Your 2004 and my wife's 2004 are more "offroad " capable then 2005 and newer Escapes.
#8457 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power]
by explorerx4
Aug 19, 2009 (3:22 pm)
what i mean is the basic design still works, it has always been practical.
as a wagon, i like the top hinged rear hatch, glass you can open seperatly.
as i am over 6 ft, i can fit in the back seat, and like the recline feature.
the controls are pretty straight forward, so easy to get used to, even if you only drive it occasionally.
we replaced the original tires on the '04 with some goodyear tripletreads and they track really well, and never get tripped up in bad weather.
i do agree with some of what you say and some things are a matter of preference.
otoh, i think you have the 4wd systems all wrong.
one thing i like about the AWD vs the part time 4WD, is that there is less chance for someone to damage it. we had a service dept mess up our's to get some extra work(my opinion). it was repaired under warranty, but it should not have happened in the first place. the cr-v may have a similar system now, but it didn't start out that way.
#8458 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4]
by blueiedgod
Aug 20, 2009 (12:06 pm)
you know what i think is funny, the cr-v has been redesigned how many times?
we bought an 09 escape and still have our 04.
a lot of it has not changed.
basically, it is just a better vehicle.
Let's see....
CR-V 4 cylinder vs Escape 4 cylinder
CR-V wins in acceleration.
CR-V wins in fuel economy
CR-V wins in interior volume
CR-V wins in the sales volume
CR-V 4 cylinder vs. Escape 6 cylinder
CR-V wins in acceleration.
CR-V wins in fuel economy
CR-V wins in interior volume
CR-V wins in the sales volume
Yup, in the upside down world Escape is the winner, but fortunately, we live in the right side up world, and here, CR-V is the winner.
#8459 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod]
by chuckfromli
Aug 20, 2009 (2:49 pm)
There is no way a CRV beats a new 6 cyl. Escape in acceleration. Consumer Reports shows CRV at over 10 seconds to 60 mph. The V6 Escape at around 8 seconds. I've seen similar numbers elsewhere also.
#8460 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod]
by vg33e power
Aug 20, 2009 (2:53 pm)
Blueiedgod, you either are a CR-V owner, work for Honda or smoking crack.
Are you pulling those comments out of your behind?
CR-V does not win in acceleration with its only powertrain offered...2.4L rated at 166HP. and weighs at 3389lbs
Escape's 2.5L is rated at 171HP and only weighs 3299lbs and its V6 3.0L is rated at 220HP
So how the heck does a less powerful much heavier vehicle win in acceleration?
CR-V's combined MPG is 23
Escape's is 24MPG (2.5L)
wrong again!
Sales volume...I do not have exact numbers, but with Ford selling all those Escapes to goverment agencies, county deals, and consumers I highly doubt CR-V wins but since I dont have facts to back it up I will give you that one.
Interior room...OK your right.
So you could be 50% correct but most likely 25% only
#8461 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power]
by chuckfromli
Aug 20, 2009 (7:13 pm)
I believe, at least for this year, the Escape is outselling the CRV, but both are in the top 10 vehicles sold.
I would really like to hear more from blueied. He apparently owns one or two Escapes and a CRV and is looking for a new CRV.
1. Is this correct blueied?
2. Have you looked at the RAV4?
3. Is the CRV that much better than the Escape?
4. How has he reliability been on your Escape(s)?
I will be test driving all three in about a month, and would like your input, especially in regards to seat comfort, trip comfort, cabin room, reliability, etc.
Thanks in advance!
#8462 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod]
by explorerx4
Aug 21, 2009 (12:27 pm)
we look for the most part, at what we feel are the useful features, like the top hinged rear gate, which cr-v also has now, and the glass that can be opened seperately.
that way you can more easily stack stuff in the back or take things out with oout opening the whole thing. handy for removing groceries, instead of having them fall out when tha back is opened.
our new escape v6 which has 240 hp, is so far over the first 5k miles, averaging 3.5 mpg more than our '04 v6 has over it's 75k+ miles.
plenty of people like cr-v's, they must just be looking for some other attributes.
#8463 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4]
by berri
Aug 21, 2009 (1:23 pm)
Honestly, I own a previous gen CRV and have not been that impressed with it. I've rented Escapes and have not been that impressed with them either. The RAV4 is obsolete IMO due to its dumb rear door and cramped seating. I think it may be smarter to lay out another couple grand and get a Venza, Highlander or Edge. While the compact SUV concept may sound good on paper, I don't think it carries it off all that well in reality, and the mileage isn't all that different. The CRV never gets anywhere near its advertised highway mileage even though its well maintanied and gets driven around 70-75 mph. I get 22 on the Interstate and I expect the Highlander and Venza will do as well. You might as well bump up in models and get a nicer ride.
#8464 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [berri]
by explorerx4
Aug 21, 2009 (2:31 pm)
we looked at the MKX, Edge Limited plus Escape Limited.
it was hard to justify the extra 5-10k over the Escape.
I actually fit better in the second row of the Escape than either of the others, plus the 2nd row seats are low in the MKX and Edge.
over the course of a week, i averaged about 20 mpg in an Edge.
my wife is getting close to 23 with her v6 Escape.
one feature my wife would have liked is the power rear lift gate.
drive 'em all and buy what you like.
#8465 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [berri]
by stevedebi
Aug 21, 2009 (3:04 pm)
" The CRV never gets anywhere near its advertised highway mileage even though its well maintanied and gets driven around 70-75 mph. I get 22 on the Interstate and I expect the Highlander and Venza will do as well. "
Your CR-V gets 22. My 2003 got about 27 MPG
75 MPH. I sold it for a hybrid Escape after three years of ownership. My best tank was 34 MPG, but that was at high altitudes.
The Gen 3 CR-V has an extra gear and should do even better. BTW, my in-town was around 23 if I was careful with my gas pedal.