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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4] by vg33e power
Aug 18, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 17, 2009 5:47 pm)

The CR-V currently is on its 3rd generation (1997-2001)(2002-2006)(2007-currently) and the Escape is on its 2nd generation (2001-2007)(2008-currently) the fact that the CR-V is on its 3rd generation has nothing to do with how Honda's design may have flaws. Honda has always used a 4-year lifespan for each of its models up until the new millenium in which it changed to a 5-year lifespan. Honda adopted the 5-year plan to minimize costs of retooling but still maintain interests in new model redesigns without going stale for too long.
 
Ford up until now has not really establish a concrete lifespan for its line-up and for the most part takes too long to redesign its vehicles...probably one of the main reasons why their "car" sector starts out great and slumps badly towards the end of the life cycle (whatever it may be) of the particular model and end up in rental fleets rather then consumer's driveways (Last gen Focus, Crown Vic, Taurus/500, even Rangers). Just recently Ford has gotten the hang of lifespan remodeling in an adequate timeframe in the Focus, Fusion, and F-series. Lets hope that they adapt this in all their line up.
 
...and for clarification a 2004 Escape is a completely different vehicle then a 2009 in every aspect except dimensions. Is it a better vehicle? one would expect it to be, but "better vehicle" is subjective and lies on the eye of the beholder. I personally "like" our 2004 Escape Limited 4WD but I wouldn't say I "love" it. Ultimately it is my wife's vehicle and she loves it and if she is happy with it then thats all it matters no matter what I think...thats why I drive a Mazda5
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power] by explorerx4
Aug 18, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: vg33e power (Aug 18, 2009 7:02 am)

seeing that we have 04 and 09 escapes, both limited models, i can assure you the the body/chassis is pretty much unchanged.
i will say they don't share much in many areas.
the doors/steering/quietness/fuel mileage are very different.
and btw, i still think the escape has always had better bones than any version of the cr-v.
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4] by chuckfromli
Aug 19, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 18, 2009 5:57 pm)

Better bones?
Do you mean the chassis/underpinnings?
 
I wonder if you know if the Escape cabin is roomier than a CRV or RAV4?
 
Thanks in advance!
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4] by vg33e power
Aug 19, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 18, 2009 5:57 pm)

By "bones" I take it you are referring to chassis. I have owned both and I agree that the Escape feels more substantial and much heavier..think solid. Perhaps the "heavier" feel hinders its handling because my wife's 2004 Limited feels lethargic when it comes to handling...not very nimble at least in comparison with the CR-V. The CR-V also is not very keen on the handling avenue but a bit better then the Escape. The CR-V does take the ege on fit and finish and quality of materials and build over the Escape if you ask me. So the Escape may have the "bones" you refer to but when it comes to fit. finish and quality of materials the CR-V takes the win.
 
BTW, if you want to compare apples to apples. I would take my wife's 2004 Escape Limited 4X4 over the 2005 and newer Escapes just for the sole reason that 2004 and older Escapes had a dedicated 4X4 switch in which you can turn on the 4WD system as in a conventional shift on the fly type and when off it acted just like what Ford now calls "Intelligent 4WD" which essentally turns on when it senses slippage....hmmm guess what? that type of system was already in place since 2001 in all 4WD Escapes it just never had a name plus CR-V has only had that type of system as well. So in reality 2005 and newer Escape became more gussied up and more like CR-V's...no thanks I will keep our 2004 in which I can let the computer turn on my 4WD if need be or I have the option to turn it on constantly. So does the Escape have more bones then CR-V? maybe but not much at least not your 2009. Your 2004 and my wife's 2004 are more "offroad " capable then 2005 and newer Escapes.
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power] by explorerx4
Aug 19, 2009 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: vg33e power (Aug 19, 2009 9:47 am)

what i mean is the basic design still works, it has always been practical.
as a wagon, i like the top hinged rear hatch, glass you can open seperatly.
as i am over 6 ft, i can fit in the back seat, and like the recline feature.
the controls are pretty straight forward, so easy to get used to, even if you only drive it occasionally.
we replaced the original tires on the '04 with some goodyear tripletreads and they track really well, and never get tripped up in bad weather.
i do agree with some of what you say and some things are a matter of preference.
otoh, i think you have the 4wd systems all wrong.
one thing i like about the AWD vs the part time 4WD, is that there is less chance for someone to damage it. we had a service dept mess up our's to get some extra work(my opinion). it was repaired under warranty, but it should not have happened in the first place. the cr-v may have a similar system now, but it didn't start out that way.
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [explorerx4] by blueiedgod
Aug 20, 2009 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 17, 2009 5:47 pm)

you know what i think is funny, the cr-v has been redesigned how many times?
we bought an 09 escape and still have our 04.
a lot of it has not changed.
basically, it is just a better vehicle.

 
Let's see....
 
CR-V 4 cylinder vs Escape 4 cylinder
 
CR-V wins in acceleration.
CR-V wins in fuel economy
CR-V wins in interior volume
CR-V wins in the sales volume
 
CR-V 4 cylinder vs. Escape 6 cylinder
 
CR-V wins in acceleration.
CR-V wins in fuel economy
CR-V wins in interior volume
CR-V wins in the sales volume
 
Yup, in the upside down world Escape is the winner, but fortunately, we live in the right side up world, and here, CR-V is the winner.
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod] by chuckfromli
Aug 20, 2009 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Aug 20, 2009 11:06 am)

There is no way a CRV beats a new 6 cyl. Escape in acceleration. Consumer Reports shows CRV at over 10 seconds to 60 mph. The V6 Escape at around 8 seconds. I've seen similar numbers elsewhere also.
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod] by vg33e power
Aug 20, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Aug 20, 2009 11:06 am)

Blueiedgod, you either are a CR-V owner, work for Honda or smoking crack.
 
Are you pulling those comments out of your behind?
 
CR-V does not win in acceleration with its only powertrain offered...2.4L rated at 166HP. and weighs at 3389lbs
 
Escape's 2.5L is rated at 171HP and only weighs 3299lbs and its V6 3.0L is rated at 220HP
 
So how the heck does a less powerful much heavier vehicle win in acceleration?
 
CR-V's combined MPG is 23
Escape's is 24MPG (2.5L)
 
wrong again!
 
Sales volume...I do not have exact numbers, but with Ford selling all those Escapes to goverment agencies, county deals, and consumers I highly doubt CR-V wins but since I dont have facts to back it up I will give you that one.
 
Interior room...OK your right.
 
So you could be 50% correct but most likely 25% only
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power] by chuckfromli
Aug 20, 2009 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: vg33e power (Nov 09, 2005 5:35 am)

I believe, at least for this year, the Escape is outselling the CRV, but both are in the top 10 vehicles sold.
 
I would really like to hear more from blueied. He apparently owns one or two Escapes and a CRV and is looking for a new CRV.
 
1. Is this correct blueied?
2. Have you looked at the RAV4?
3. Is the CRV that much better than the Escape?
4. How has he reliability been on your Escape(s)?
 
I will be test driving all three in about a month, and would like your input, especially in regards to seat comfort, trip comfort, cabin room, reliability, etc.
 
Thanks in advance!
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Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [blueiedgod] by explorerx4
Aug 21, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Aug 20, 2009 11:06 am)

we look for the most part, at what we feel are the useful features, like the top hinged rear gate, which cr-v also has now, and the glass that can be opened seperately.
that way you can more easily stack stuff in the back or take things out with oout opening the whole thing. handy for removing groceries, instead of having them fall out when tha back is opened.
our new escape v6 which has 240 hp, is so far over the first 5k miles, averaging 3.5 mpg more than our '04 v6 has over it's 75k+ miles.
plenty of people like cr-v's, they must just be looking for some other attributes.

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