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#8390 of 8533 Re: 2008 Escape Quieter [richk6] by baggs32

May 21, 2008 (6:09 pm)

Replying to: richk6 (May 21, 2008 4:45 pm)
It did because AdvanceTrac RSC is now standard on all Escapes and that involved an upgraded braking system. It's still front discs and rear drums for the gas versions but braking is said to be improved. Read the second page of C&D's first drive of the '09 I4, V6 and hybrid Escapes. I've noticed a few errors in their review however so I'll wait to see other reviews to pass final judgement on things like acceleration, braking, and handling which is where the big changes were made for '09.
 
2009 Ford Escape first drive - C&D

#8391 of 8533 The Escape by dromedarius

May 22, 2008 (11:27 am)

It's not a bad vehicle. The problem is the design is essentially the same as when it was first introduced 8 or so years ago. Same w/the Focus, one of which I have thanks to an incident on ice here a couple months back. Ford has put WAY too much emphasis into trucks and SUVs for the past 15 years and now they have been caught w/their pants not only around their ankles but turned inside out over their shoes.
 
The Focus, Escape and Ranger would be generating even more sales but they are competing against vehicles which are two generations newer. You can't expect to be competitive w/8+ yo vehicles. They are like the Yankees now. Just because it was good in 2000 doesn't mean it's good now. I think Ford, after the news they are cutting back on production, is in very real danger as a company as a whole.
 
They already don't have a minivan to compete Honda, Chrysler and Toyota and now w/the move to subcompacts their pants have been pulled down just THAT much further.

#8392 of 8533 Re: 2008 Escape Quieter [richk6] by stevedebi

May 22, 2008 (5:40 pm)

Replying to: richk6 (May 21, 2008 4:45 pm)
"The second review mentioned Ford has incorporated a new braking system in the 09 Escape hybrid. I hope they will extend that to the regular 09 Escape. "
 
My reading of the article indicates that the hybrid is the only version that NEEDED a fix, so it wouldn't apply to the normal model. Some people have issues with the way regenerative braking "feels" in the Ford design. It IS different, but so what (in my opinion).
 
What Ford did was to program brake pedal pressure to simulate "normal" braking feel for the driver. I don't think it helps the stopping distances at all.

#8393 of 8533 Re: The Escape [dromedarius] by baggs32

May 22, 2008 (6:53 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (May 22, 2008 11:27 am)
The Focus, Escape and Ranger would be generating even more sales but they are competing against vehicles which are two generations newer.
 
The Focus and Escape are selling like hotcakes right now. Search the news and you'll see that the Focus plant is running at full steam to keep up with demand and the Escape is catching up to the CR-V in sales once more. I'll give you the Ranger for now but Ford is planning a new one for 2010 or 2011 IIRC.
 
I just had my Mustang inspected at a medium sized Ford dealer today and they had zero Focus' on their main lot for sale and ony 1 or 2 Fusions. I think they might have had a few of each on their back lot though. They had seveal Escapes but I have a feeling word of the improved '09s is slowing sales of the late '08 models.

#8394 of 8533 Re: The Escape [baggs32] by dromedarius

May 23, 2008 (6:41 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (May 22, 2008 6:53 pm)
But you are proving my point. Ford got caught w/their pants down. Here is a link to the 1st Quarter Sales for 2008. Of course I can't prove my theory but if they had a newer vehicle and were actually serious about producing these vehicles they would have the capacity to meet demand. As it stands, the Accord is walloping the Fusion and both the Civic and the CR-V are beating the Focus and the Escape respectively.
 
And the bad news doesn't end there. Honda just announced three new hybrid models. Meanwhile, Ford is laying people off.
 
Until Ford gets serious about something other than the F150 they will continue to get beatup in the marketplace, and they are getting to the point where they can't take much more of a beating. The Escape, Focus, original Taurus, original Mustang, Model T, etc., etc., were ALL excellent at the start but you HAVE to turn out something original sooner than every 8-10 years to remain competitive w/the Japanese. How do you think Kia/Hyundai has squeezed it's way into the marketplace? It sure as heck wasn't by making a F-Gazillion50.

#8395 of 8533 Re: The Escape [baggs32] by phisher

May 23, 2008 (10:59 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (May 22, 2008 6:53 pm)
Last I heard Ford was discontinuing the ranger. The only plant that makes rangers and Mazda B-series truck is here in St Paul and as of the end of this year it will be closed down.

#8396 of 8533 Re: The Escape [dromedarius] by stevedebi

May 23, 2008 (12:12 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (May 23, 2008 6:41 am)
"Honda just announced three new hybrid models. "
 
But not an SUV. The Escape Hybrid is still the only I4 powered hybrid on the market. The FWD mileage of 34/30 (city/highway) is the highest of any SUV.
 
Before I got my FEH I considered waiting for the (rumored) CR-V diesel. But with diesel prices here in CA, it wouldn't have been a good purchase in my opinion. I have seen diesel at $5 / gallon at some stations.

#8397 of 8533 Re: The Escape [phisher] by baggs32

May 23, 2008 (6:17 pm)

Replying to: phisher (May 23, 2008 10:59 am)
Last I heard Ford was discontinuing the ranger.
 
I believe that's still correct. The new one most likely won't be called Ranger but rather may be called F100 and is supposedly going to be a shortened F150 with an EcoBoost I4 and a V6.

#8398 of 8533 Re: The Escape [dromedarius] by baggs32

May 23, 2008 (6:22 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (May 23, 2008 6:41 am)
I'm not getting into another this vs that mfr with you drom. We all know your hatred for Ford and it doesn't matter what they do because it will never be good enough for you.
 
The current Focus, Fusion, and Escape are stopgap solutions until all of them, and the Fiesta (Verve), are globalized in the next year or two. That means we get the fantastic Euro versions soon and then the real fun begins. So you don't have to worry about them only being serious about the F150 for long.

#8399 of 8533 Re: The Escape [dromedarius] by explorerx4

May 23, 2008 (6:50 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (May 23, 2008 6:41 am)
toyota only redesigns the camry platform every 10-12 years, they change the body and everyone thinks it is all new. obviously they have good design to start with, but it really isn't so different from other manufacturers. a lot of it is perception.

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