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What is this discussion about? Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV

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#8333 of 8533 Re: Yet another Escape recall [dromedarius] by baggs32

Aug 08, 2007 (12:10 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (Aug 07, 2007 7:11 pm)
And yes, the recalls are relatively close over the past five years, but then again, these are NEW CR-V models you are comparing to an ESTABLISHED Escape model.
 
The Escape was all new in 2001. I gave you 2002 and up. One year on the market makes it established now?
 
Honda has done just that, as there haven't been ANY recalls on my 2005 CR-V, the fourth year of its generational run.
 
The NHTSA says otherwise:
 
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
     HONDA / CR-V 2005
  
Recall Number: 04V526000
Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, THE OCCUPANT POSITION DETECTION SYSTEM'S SIDE SENSOR IS NOT INSTALLED IN THE CORRECT POSITION AND MAY FAIL TO SHUT OFF THE PASSENGER'S SIDE IMPACT AIRBAG IF THE OCCUPANT IS OUT-OF-POSITION.
Consequence:
IN THE EVENT OF A CRASH, SUCH AN OUT-OF POSITION OCCUPANT MAY BE INJURED BY A DEPLOYING SIDE AIRBAG.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE PASSENGER'S SEAT-BACK PAD WHICH INCUDES THE OCCUPANT POSITION DETECTION SYSTEM SENSOR. THE RECALL BEGAN ON ON NOVEMBER 19, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NO. P49. CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION¿S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).

 
Furthermore, Ford needs to show it can produce a quality model if they expect people to bail them out.
 
Your beloved CR ranks the Fusion above the Accord. Check out the latest JD Power ratings too. Ford had the most vehicles at the top of their segments. Quality has improved greatly and you're just going to have to face that fact now. There is no more quality gap. That's not to say there won't be one in the future again, but it's gone for now.
 
I would fully expect, as would many other (I hope), that you have more recall issues early in a model's development.
 
Completely false. Often times it takes a while for a problem to crop up and that wouldn't necessarily happen early in the model's life cycle.
 
Recalls are indicators of many things, INCLUDING quality. Not always, but it IS one of the factors. I don't know where you are getting that it isn't.

 
Maybe the quality of a specific part but parts fail and they fail for all mfrs. Recalls are almost always issued for safety reasons and have more to do with the durability of a part than it's overall quality which don't go hand in hand. Sometimes form comes before function.

#8334 of 8533 Re: I've never understood [dromedarius] by twain

Aug 10, 2007 (3:52 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (May 18, 2007 8:56 am)
Normally it's the man who won't be caught dead in a minivan, but I've been hearing this applied to woman more and more often.
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But minivans have become too large and heavy too. Unless you have a family of 6. IMO, new vehicles like the Mazda5 and Kia Rondo are the way to go. And they'll carry 6 too.

#8335 of 8533 Re: I've never understood [twain] by thegraduate

Aug 10, 2007 (10:16 pm)

Replying to: twain (Aug 10, 2007 3:52 pm)
IMO, new vehicles like the Mazda5 and Kia Rondo are the way to go. And they'll carry 6 too.
 
Having spent time in a 5, you really need to get a 4-door 5-passenger vehicle if you need decent seating for 4 (the back seat is small in the 5, to me). For 6, the 4 rear passengers better be 5'3" or less.
 
Having owned an Accord, driven the family minivan, and sat in a Mazda 5, I'd pick the conventional car or minivan over the microvan.
 
The Mazda5 gets 21/26 MPG, and has 157 horsepower (bad power to MPG ratio). The Sienna has 266 horsepower, seats 7/8 people quite comfortably, and gets 19/26 MPG.
 
If I had the money to spend on a conventional van, even if I only had a family of 4, I'd get the Sienna. 1 MPG combined lower, 100+ extra horsepower, MUCH MUCH more room and comfort.

#8336 of 8533 Trying to Decide Between a Used Escape or CRV by lparrish

Sep 05, 2007 (7:17 pm)

I know there are probably a variety of opinions on this topic, but here goes:
I'm trying to decide whether to buy a used Escape or CRV. Safety and reliability are the most important factors to me, 4 cylinder engine is fine. For my budget ($15K or less), I could get a fairly new (05/06) Escape with low mileage very easily. A CRV, on the other hand, would likely be a 2002 or 2003 model with a bit more miles. Is the CRV worth paying a bit extra or getting a bit older car?

#8337 of 8533 Re: Trying to Decide Between a Used Escape or CRV [lparrish] by blueiedgod

Sep 06, 2007 (8:20 am)

Replying to: lparrish (Sep 05, 2007 7:17 pm)
I know there are probably a variety of opinions on this topic, but here goes:
I'm trying to decide whether to buy a used Escape or CRV. Safety and reliability are the most important factors to me, 4 cylinder engine is fine. For my budget ($15K or less), I could get a fairly new (05/06) Escape with low mileage very easily. A CRV, on the other hand, would likely be a 2002 or 2003 model with a bit more miles. Is the CRV worth paying a bit extra or getting a bit older car?
 
Test drive both. The 4 cylinder CR-V compares more favorably with the V6 Escape. The 4 cylinder Escape compares to horse drawn buggy in terms of acceleration and driving dynamics.

#8338 of 8533 The new 3.5 liter Duratec by dromedarius

Sep 12, 2007 (4:14 pm)

Won't fit into the current Escape, according to this month's Car & Driver (Oct. 07). In the meantime, Honda has upped the HP numbers for the 2.4 to 177 and 190 for the new Accord. I'm hoping the 190 horse version makes it into the CR-V in the next year or two. THEN what are people going to say when this four banger has equal HP numbers to Ford's 3 liter V6?

#8339 of 8533 Re: The new 3.5 liter Duratec [dromedarius] by baggs32

Sep 12, 2007 (5:27 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (Sep 12, 2007 4:14 pm)
The solution is the PIP Duratec30 which we should see at the Detroit show in January if it's still in the works (the TwinForce may have made Mulally change his mind about that).
 
Essentially the PIP is a reworked version of the current D30 and adds about 20 horses, some torque, more refinement, and much better fuel economy. The '09 Escape will most likely also get the new 2.5L I4 which puts out either 190 or 200 HP, is smoother than the current 2.3L and, again, gets much better fuel economy.
 
I doubt that they'll put a TF in the Escape so I'd expect the PIP is still on track. Although news of it on the dedicated Ford forums has died down substantially over the past few months.
 
These two motors are going in the freshened, inside and out, '09 Fusion as well with a TF I4 for the sport version(s).
 
The next Escape will most likely be the Kuga you can see at the current Frankfurt show if rumors hold true too.
 
Oh, and the Escape will get a new 5 or 6-speed tranny with the new engines too.

#8340 of 8533 Re: The new 3.5 liter Duratec [baggs32] by thegraduate

Sep 12, 2007 (8:09 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Sep 12, 2007 5:27 pm)
When did the current Escape debut again?

#8341 of 8533 Re: The new 3.5 liter Duratec [thegraduate] by baggs32

Sep 13, 2007 (9:37 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 12, 2007 8:09 pm)
February IIRC.
 
Many people, I being one of them, were disappointed with the drivetrain for the current model because it had not changed at all. It seems that Mulally and Fields have listened, but nothing's been officialy announced yet so time will tell.

#8342 of 8533 Re: The new 3.5 liter Duratec [baggs32] by thegraduate

Sep 13, 2007 (9:40 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Sep 13, 2007 9:37 am)
Oh, i mean the Escape in general. The "new" Escape is not much newer than my "new" Accord for 2006. A facelift, a small change here or there, but nothing new to hang their hat on. Was it 2001?

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