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#8241 of 8533 Re: Escape Design Flaw?!?! [dromedarius] by blueiedgod

Apr 11, 2007 (8:09 am)

Replying to: dromedarius (Apr 11, 2007 6:49 am)
Yeah, how come I was not informed about that fact?
 
WASHINGTON -- Ford Motor Co. said Tuesday it was recalling more than 500,000 Ford Escape sport utility vehicles after receiving reports of engine fires linked to corrosion on antilock brake connectors.
 
Ford said the recall involved 444,880 Escapes from the 2001-2004 model years in the United States, and about 75,000 Escapes in Canada, Mexico and Europe. The recall does not affect hybrid versions of the SUV, the automaker said.
 
Dearborn, Mich.-based Ford said there have been about 50 engine fires connected to the problems, which had been under investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
 
"There have been no reports of accidents or injuries. We have identified a repair, and owners of affected vehicles will be notified soon," said Ford spokeswoman Kristen Kinley.
 
The company said the recall would address missing or incorrectly installed seals on the wiring harness of the antilock brake connector.
 
Water and contaminants such as brake fluid or road salt could enter the connector and cause corrosion. That could lead to the ABS warning indicator lighting up, an open fuse or in some cases smoking, melting or burning of the electrical ABS connector.
 
Dealers will inspect the vehicles for corrosion and replace the connector and ABS module if necessary. Ford said it expects most vehicles will not have any corrosion concern, and will have the connector greased and reconnected.
 
Owners can call Ford at (800) 392-3673 for more information about the recall.

#8242 of 8533 Re: VSC [dromedarius] by baggs32

Apr 11, 2007 (9:47 am)

Replying to: dromedarius (Apr 11, 2007 6:47 am)
Yeah, it's just great that we'll now have 16 year-olds taking hairpins at 90mph in the snow and ice because they think VSC will save them if they are doing something stupid. Kind of like ABS, which was once considered a marvel of the safety world if you'll recall, which had people thinking they COULD tail the jerk in front of them because ABS will stop them faster.
 
IMO VSC should not be standard in every vehicle produced. SUVs and SUV-type vehicles do need it IMO, but most cars don't. Unless you want it, then you can opt for it and pay for it. Why should I have to pay for it if I don't want it?

#8243 of 8533 Re: Escape Design Flaw?!?! [blueiedgod] by baggs32

Apr 11, 2007 (9:48 am)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 11, 2007 8:09 am)
It's all over the news guys. At least they aren't blaming it on the teenager at Jiffy Lube like Honda did.

#8244 of 8533 Re: VSC [baggs32] by dromedarius

Apr 11, 2007 (10:53 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 11, 2007 9:47 am)
Stability control is ridiculously easy to include. The computer and sensors are already there for ABS; the main difference between stability control and ABS is ABS controls the car front to back and stability control is side to side. Honda already includes it standard on almost every vehicle (except the S2000, I believe), without affecting the pricing, so this is just a move to make the rest of the industry come in line with what SHOULD be the status quo. If your manufacturer is trying to tack a huge fee on to have this feature, they're ripping you off.
 
As for solving the problem of idiots driving, we've always had them and always will. Stability control or not, people will do stupid things.

#8245 of 8533 Re: Escape Design Flaw?!?! [baggs32] by drive62

Apr 11, 2007 (12:15 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 11, 2007 9:48 am)
At least they aren't blaming it on the teenager at Jiffy Lube like Honda did.
 
It was determined that the Honda fires were caused by gaskets left on when the oil filters were changed. You seem to imply a cover up on Honda's part, do you have any evidence?
 
The company said the recall would address missing or incorrectly installed seals on the wiring harness of the antilock brake connector.
 
This seems like a manufacturing/quality issue. Apparently Quality is not Job 1 at Ford.
 
It's all over the news guys.
 
This is the first I heard and I read three newspapers and watch the new everyday. It's a conspiracy I tell you. The media has swept this under the rug (sound familiar LOL).

#8246 of 8533 Re: VSC [baggs32] by steve_ HOST

Apr 11, 2007 (12:46 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 11, 2007 9:47 am)
Check out Stability Control, are you ready for it? if you haven't already.

#8247 of 8533 Re: Escape Design Flaw?!?! [drive62] by baggs32

Apr 11, 2007 (1:32 pm)

Replying to: drive62 (Apr 11, 2007 12:15 pm)
It was determined that the Honda fires were caused by gaskets left on when the oil filters were changed. You seem to imply a cover up on Honda's part, do you have any evidence?

 
I'm not implying a cover up but I do feel they should have recalled the vehicles seeing the problem was filters that were installed at the factory. Even after they issued the warning fires still occured. Proof of that is on the CR-V threads of these forums if you want to find it.
 
This seems like a manufacturing/quality issue. Apparently Quality is not Job 1 at Ford.
 
The "incorrectly installed seals on the wiring harness of the antilock brake connectors" was a manufacturing issue as were the over-tightened oil filters at the CR-V factory. Same thing if you ask me. At least the ABS light came on first to warn the Escape owners of a problem. There are stories of people having to get their kids out of car seats in a panic from CR-Vs that were fine one second then engulfed in flames the next. Nice.
 
It's a conspiracy I tell you. The media has swept this under the rug (sound familiar LOL).
 
Yes it does and that's exactly why I'm clarifying.

#8248 of 8533 Re: VSC [dromedarius] by baggs32

Apr 11, 2007 (2:06 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (Apr 11, 2007 10:53 am)
Stability control is ridiculously easy to include.
 
Yes it is. Won't argue there.
 
Honda already includes it standard on almost every vehicle (except the S2000, I believe), without affecting the pricing
 
Why do you believe that they aren't charging you for it? Is Honda in the business of giving things away for free now? Isn't it possible that they cut a corner somewhere else to make it look like you're not paying much for it? Isn't it also true, whic IIRC it is from news articles I've read, that Honda raised all MSRPs the year they made all the bags and VSC standard? I'm pretty sure it was front page news in some major papers.
 
If your manufacturer is trying to tack a huge fee on to have this feature, they're ripping you off.

 
Price is only one of the problems. It will get cheaper so that part of my argument would become lame eventually. That still doesn't solve the problem of manufacturers installing some crappy VSC system (i.e. poorly programmed) that is overly-intrusive and gets in the way of spirited driving. Why do you think the S2000 doesn't have it right now?
 
I also pointed out in the past that I don't mind them putting VSC in everything as long as I have control over it. If it had been in my Mazda6 or in my current Mustang I would want to shut it off quite often. In my Explorer I can limit it or shut it off which is perfect. However in that application I want it on all the time and feel it should be on all the time.

#8249 of 8533 Re: VSC [baggs32] by thegraduate

Apr 11, 2007 (5:56 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 11, 2007 2:06 pm)
Price is only one of the problems. It will get cheaper so that part of my argument would become lame eventually. That still doesn't solve the problem of manufacturers installing some crappy VSC system (i.e. poorly programmed) that is overly-intrusive and gets in the way of spirited driving. Why do you think the S2000 doesn't have it right now?
 
Actually, the S2000 does have VSA. It is, however, defeatable, just like the other Honda vehicles offering VSA (Accord V6, Odyssey, Pilot, CR-V, etc...)

#8250 of 8533 Re: Escape Design Flaw?!?! [blueiedgod] by explorerx4

Apr 11, 2007 (6:54 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 11, 2007 8:09 am)
i just checked my '04 escape. i think it will be ok.
just another case of 'if you sell a lot of product and it has a problem, the recall will be big'. i am not happy about it, though.

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