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Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#8071 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [explorerx4]
by blueiedgod
Jan 04, 2007 (7:37 am)
my wife wanting an escape.
We can't argue women's logic, it was very simple. "Ohhh, I like Escape..." So, she got one. No research, nothing. It was bought solely based on looks and two test drives. One of a 4 cylinder Escape, and one of the V6 XLT. Luckily, she makes the payments on it, I would never give my money to Ford.
if you post stats, i do try to verify them. so far, the numbers don't add up.
Where exactly did my numbers did not add up?
Was it when I posted real world prices to counter Scape's false claim that CR-V is more expensive?
I posted real world prices from carsdirect, these are the prices you can buy the vehicle at, asopposed to Scape's dealer screamer ads that list a vehicls that does not exist, and if it did exists only one or two were available at that price. Once you load up Escape to match CR-V, CR-V has always been cheaper. Just because Ford choses to make a stripper model, that only a handful of people want, it does not make it right to compare that stripper model to a loaded CR-V. Apples to apples, remember.
Was it when I countered Scapes another false claim that CR-V is slower than Escape V6?
You may not know it, but Scape knows perfectly well that there were two sets of numbers, Generation1 and Generation 2 for CR-V's 0-60 times. He conviniently used the underpowered 1997-1998 version numbers to claim that Escape was faster. the power was boosted in mid model redesign of 1999, but when Honda completley redesigned CR-V in 2002, they gave it a much more powerful engine, that beat Escape 0-60 times with manual and matched Escape with auto.
So, when was I wrong?
#8072 of 8533 Re: 'What? [thegraduate] - a little OT long weekend aside [steve_]
by thegraduate
Jan 04, 2007 (1:33 pm)
I actually watched that Boise State/OU game - the last minute of regulation and then overtime anyway. AMAZING finish. I loved it (when I don't have a personal stake in the game I always have to root for the underdog)! Congrats...
With Nick Saban (and his $4M a year contract) I'm hoping for at least an 8 win season for my Tide this year(which is sad that I'm hoping for THAT).
I'm back, obviously, and had a great trip.
We took my friend's 97 Maxima - sure missed the gas mileage from my 4-cyl Honda!
#8073 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [blueiedgod]
by explorerx4
Jan 04, 2007 (4:53 pm)
my wife's thought process was totally diferent than you think. our loaded escape limited is the lowest msrp vehicle she has owned in over 10 years.
she wanted small, 4x4, wagon, moonroof and heated leather seats. my sil had a cr-v. my wife didn't like the side opening rear hatch.
i didn't have much respect for the escape until i took it on a 900 mile trip.
actually, i started respecting it after a maxima slammed into it while my wife was at a stop sign. it was pushed forward about 10 feet. the only repair was to the rear bumper and some brackets. no body damage. my wife was a bit sore for a few days, but ok.
after that, i put a class 3 hitch on it. no problems since then.
btw, i questioned the 2k to 4k power curve post. did not see any response.
#8074 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [blueiedgod]
by scape2
Jan 05, 2007 (1:13 pm)
I see my name is still popping up in this room..
First off, lets load a CRV down with the same amount of gear/people/weight and then do a 0-60 run.. real world.. then we'll see who wins..
#8075 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [blueiedgod]
by scape2
Jan 05, 2007 (1:16 pm)
Wrong.. I gave you dealership names and vin's showing you that Escapes/Tributes in my region sell for less than CRV's hands down. Option for option. Trying to make Honda's less expensive is not doing much for your credibility. It is common knowledge that option for option you will pay more for a Honda/Toyota any model.
#8076 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [scape2]
by thegraduate
Jan 05, 2007 (1:27 pm)
It is common knowledge that option for option you will pay more for a Honda/Toyota any model.
If it's common knowledge, why is there such debate about it?
Trying to make Honda's less expensive is not doing much for your credibility.
Black pot, meet black kettle.
People have shown several instances (such as the Truck Trend Article that drive62 mentioned) when the more expensive Escape (I believe it was something like $4,000 more than the CR-V) couldn't be declared a winner over the cheaper CR-V. It was a tough decision (as both were good vehicles).
#8077 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [scape2]
by varmint
Jan 05, 2007 (3:50 pm)
First off, lets load a CRV down with the same amount of gear/people/weight and then do a 0-60 run.. real world.. then we'll see who wins...
They already have. One person, zero gear, and the CR-V won. I gave the link and quote a few posts back.
#8078 of 8533 OK, I'm going to give this a try...
by thegraduate
Jan 05, 2007 (3:55 pm)
Can we all agree that both vehicles have adequate, if not thrilling, accelerative abilites? Both are apparently quite close in their capacity to quickly accelerate (numbers generally within 1 second of each other, and neither is going to get you killed trying to merge).
#8079 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [scape2]
by blueiedgod
Jan 06, 2007 (7:51 am)
First off, lets load a CRV down with the same amount of gear/people/weight and then do a 0-60 run.. real world.. then we'll see who wins..
Then you will complain that CR-V went to the red line while Escape did not. There is no logical way to make you understand this argument. I don't think you understand how 0-60 tests are done. Any 0-60 tester will wring out the engine to the max. Whicn you seem to be unable to comprehend. End of story. You win, Escape is so great that you will drive it to the end of time.
oops, I guess it wasn't so great as you quickly dumped it after only 75,000 miles. Despite what your reasoning is, you dumped the Escape, which does not give too much credibility to your arguments. People usually put their money where their mouth is. Now, you won't be able to come back and state the condition of the Escape at 250,000 and 500,000 miles. You lose!
#8080 of 8533 Re: '08 Escape [explorerx4]
by blueiedgod
Jan 06, 2007 (7:52 am)
btw, i questioned the 2k to 4k power curve post. did not see any response.
I am still trying to locate those Dyno charts.