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#7746 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [explorerx4] by blueiedgod

May 09, 2006 (10:06 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (May 08, 2006 6:00 pm)
the thing is, the fires are still happening. maybe they are no different from any other vehicle.
just as a guess, maybe it has something to do with the 'cat(s) location.
in the escape, it is under the front passenger seat.
i don't know where it is in the cr-v.
i have never had to replace a headlight bulb in any of my fords, even my 15 year old mustang. my wife's saab, that was another story. actually the dealer used to replace them for free. just drive in, get 'em replaced and drive out. no paperwork needed.
the saab was replaced with an escape, and my wife and i are happy about it.
 
It is possible that Honda exhaust is hotter than Ford Exhaust. After all, Honda engines run much much leaner than any other engine out there. With the VTEC running on 12 valves the air to fuel ratio is about 16-17 to 1, where stoiochemical ratio is about 14 to 1, I believe.
 
I know from running model engines (nitro powered) that leaner mixture make engine run much hotter, but also gives you better power and throttle response.
 
So, maybe Escape's exhaust is not hot enough to ignite the oil even if it is dripping onto the exhaust manifold. That would explain worse fuel economy and lower acceleration numbers.
 
As far as the bulbs, I have always replaced stock ones with MTEC bulbs. Ever since I discovered the MTEC brand in 2001, I have been using them in all my cars. The bulbs come with lifetime warranty, and produce much better light coverage on the ground. They are only rated at 4500K, which makes them perfect for that HID look without the cost. Because of the lower temperature rating, there is not much glare, as much as a conventional halogen bulb.
 
Headlight bulbs usually dim with time, so I would check that 15 year old bulb you have. Or you must not drive at night often enough to get some use out of them. The MTEC's usually last a year with my use, then I just get replacements through warranty.

#7747 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [baggs32] by blueiedgod

May 09, 2006 (10:12 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (May 09, 2006 5:57 am)
So this hole. Doesn't that let a bunch of road junk get into parts of the engine that are normally under more cover? I'd be worried about that up here in the winter salt belt. Any reason not to be?
  
How about a stone getting up in there and taking a scenic tour through the serpentine belt?
  
Just curious.
 
I assume that it is possible that it COULD happen, but it has not been reported. Walk up to any Gen 2 CR-V and you can clearly see to the other side through the openning in the wheel well.
 
It is possible that Honda engineers have calculated the theoretical trajectories of road debris, and positioned the opennings such that debris don't enter.
 
Salt will find its way into the engine compartment whether there is a plastic barrier or not, the bottom of the engine is always exposed on either CR-V or Escape.

#7749 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [blueiedgod] by baggs32

May 09, 2006 (12:53 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (May 09, 2006 10:12 am)
It is possible that Honda engineers have calculated the theoretical trajectories of road debris, and positioned the opennings such that debris don't enter.
 
I see what you're getting at but somehow I don't think they covered all of the possibilities.
 
Salt will find its way into the engine compartment whether there is a plastic barrier or not, the bottom of the engine is always exposed on either CR-V or Escape.
 
Exactly, but the shields on the bottom of both (assuming there is one on the CR-V) do help stop some from getting on what I would assume are critical parts. Now I'm just speculating here but it seems to me that a hole in the wheel well, a.k.a. the saltiest place on a vehicle in the winter, will allow salt to bypass any lower plastic shield and coat the engine's vitals. I for one would be interested to see how those internals are holding up on an '02 CR-V from the salt belt come the year 2012.
 
Any chance that hole was/is letting excess air into the engine compartment fueling a fire under the right conditions? It is right next to the suspect oil filter after all. Varmint, you have to have enough info on this to write a book by now. What's your take?
 
Anyone who is just picking the conversation up right here should know that I'm not trying to say the CR-V's engine will corrode away. I'm just curious about their decision to put a hole in the wheel well.

#7750 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [blueiedgod] by explorerx4

May 09, 2006 (6:23 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (May 09, 2006 10:06 am)
just for grins, how do you work the bulb exchange? you don't have to drive without headlights until the new ones a delivered, do you?

#7751 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [baggs32] by thegraduate

May 09, 2006 (6:31 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (May 09, 2006 12:53 pm)
We had the oil filter come off completely on our 2002 CR-V; I can say that it IS the part to blame. I'm not convinced that it is just oil changers causing the problem, but quite possibly the design of the part. I'm usually gung-ho pro Honda, but the CR-V let us down; not our Accords though!

#7752 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [thegraduate] by explorerx4

May 09, 2006 (7:05 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (May 09, 2006 6:31 pm)
it's fun for the escape posters to poke some fun at the cr-v posters, and the other way around, too.
this fire problem is pretty rare. i'm sure this has been analyzed ad'infinitum by many engineers. hopefully, they have the last word in the matter.
since a redesigned cr-v is on the way, let's see what the changes are.

#7753 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [explorerx4] by thegraduate

May 09, 2006 (7:08 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (May 09, 2006 7:05 pm)
Yeah. Our CR-V didn't catch fire, but it sure drained every drop of oil out of its engine, making for a white smoke that would make a mosquito fogger jealous. Needless to say, the dealer bought that car back for $500 less than purchase price, even though it had 35,000 miles on it and was 18 months old.
 
This was a case where customer service made up for the actual problem.

#7754 of 8533 Re: Opening the rear hatch [drive62] by scape2

May 09, 2006 (8:07 pm)

Replying to: drive62 (May 08, 2006 6:30 am)
Granted, I don't presently own a Honda. But I have, and I didn't see what was so great about it. In fact, I owned an American car that actually handled better, drove better, quieter too!... I am already labled as a "Honda hater". In fact I am not. I think Honda makes good cars/trucks/vans ect. I don't think they are the "best". The internet is full of information by the way.. I just help inform people.. thats all

#7755 of 8533 Re: Escape design vs. CR-V design [drive62] by scape2

May 09, 2006 (8:09 pm)

Replying to: drive62 (May 08, 2006 10:06 am)
"Also, if Escape is as off-road capable as CR-V, how come I can easily roll under the CR-V on my creeper, but had to jack up the Escape to get to the drain plug? Looks like Escape is missing a couple of inches of clearance when compared to CR-V."
 
This post I have to really question. I, in now way have to jack up my Escape or my wifes Tribute to reach the drain plug when I change oil...

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