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#7192 of 8533 Re: That's not all [dromedarius] by baggs32

Mar 01, 2006 (12:09 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (Mar 01, 2006 11:34 am)
Watch what you say about those SAE tests drom. Domestics typically GAIN HP when re-tested while pretty much all Asian engines lost power.
 
Couple of examples for you. I think the Fusion was originally listed as having 210 HP from it's Duratec30 but when re-tested right before it went on sale it came out as 220 HP. Don't try to tell me the Mustang GT is only making 300 HP either. Dyno testing has shown it's more like 320 but Ford hasn't re-tested it officially.
 
The Escape's loss of HP a year or two ago was due to the engine being retuned for what I can't remember. It was done before the whole SAE test thing came about, early 2004 for MY05, and Ford openly discussed the slight loss of power. Plus the CD4E transmission in the Escape is a dinosaur and most likely sucks the life out of the engine which, if IIRC from the dyno numbers, leaves you with roughly 160 HP going to the wheels.

#7193 of 8533 Re: That's not all [baggs32] by dromedarius

Mar 01, 2006 (5:14 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (Mar 01, 2006 12:09 pm)
I think the claim that Domestics gain HP is a generalization. Not by you, but by the press, which has followed this story. The reason I believe this is because oddly, EVERY domestic car tested has gained HP (or at least remained the same), yet they won't test their entire lines like Honda and Toyota did. Since, as some people have been kind enough to point out, Ford sells more pickups in the US than Honda does vehicles, it shouldn't be an issue of money.
 
However, it IS an issue of marketing, and I can't fathom ANY reason why the Big Three wouldn't exploit this, unless, of course, they have something to lose. As we all know, a LOT of Americans buy cars based upon mileage (thus the ridiculously low real world MPG ratings of domestic gas hogs), and anytime a company ceases to go for the competitive advantage, it makes me certain they don't have one. They leveraged it as much as they could already, which was to point out gains by a very SMALL sample of vehicles.

#7194 of 8533 Re: That's not all [dromedarius] by explorerx4

Mar 01, 2006 (7:50 pm)

Replying to: dromedarius (Mar 01, 2006 5:14 pm)
how many make their small suv buying decision based on horsepower? thinking cr-v buyers.
on the other hand, nobody appreciates being sold horsepower that isn't there.

#7195 of 8533 Re: Here is a link for the refreshed [baggs32] by blueiedgod

Mar 02, 2006 (5:57 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 28, 2006 10:51 am)
Honda got Izuzu as trade for The Civic and the Oddysey that Izuzu needed and sold as Izuzu Gemini and Izuzu Oasis. By the way, most of the Honda Oddyseys that are used for NYC cabs are Izuzu Oasis if you look closer. I don't think Gemini was ever sold here.
 
I appologize baggs if I misread your posts.

#7196 of 8533 Re: That's not all [explorerx4] by blueiedgod

Mar 02, 2006 (6:03 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Mar 01, 2006 7:50 pm)
how many make their small suv buying decision based on horsepower?
 
We know at least of one who keeps touting that HIS Escape has 40 more HP and 40 more Ft. lbs. and blah blah, blah, but still can't cath up to Honda in 0-60 tests

#7197 of 8533 Re: Here is a link for the refreshed [blueiedgod] by baggs32

Mar 02, 2006 (6:38 am)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 02, 2006 5:57 am)
Never heard of the Gemini. Judging by recent news it looks like Isuzu could benefit from another trade with Honda. They seem to be in pretty bad shape. A CR-V and Odyssey would help them out temendously.
 
I appologize baggs if I misread your posts.
 
No problem. We all do it. You made me work for it though!

#7198 of 8533 Re: That's not all [dromedarius] by baggs32

Mar 02, 2006 (6:44 am)

Replying to: dromedarius (Mar 01, 2006 5:14 pm)
Since, as some people have been kind enough to point out, Ford sells more pickups in the US than Honda does vehicles, it shouldn't be an issue of money.
  
However, it IS an issue of marketing, and I can't fathom ANY reason why the Big Three wouldn't exploit this, unless, of course, they have something to lose.
 
I don't know about that. Ford doesn't really play the HP game right now as it is so I think they're just willing to save a few bucks and leave well enough alone. It's not like you're going to see increases of 50 HP. We're talking like 0-10 max in most cases. Probably not worth the extra cost given current finaces at the big 2.
 
Would you give the Five Hundred or Escape a second look if they told you they just gained 5 HP for MY06? Didn't think so.

#7199 of 8533 Re: Here is a link for the refreshed [baggs32] by thegraduate

Mar 02, 2006 (7:25 am)

Replying to: baggs32 (Mar 02, 2006 6:38 am)
Never heard of the Gemini. Judging by recent news it looks like Isuzu could benefit from another trade with Honda. They seem to be in pretty bad shape. A CR-V and Odyssey would help them out temendously.
 
Yes, it would help Isuzu, but there's really be nothing in it for Honda, now that Honda has a much larger line of automobiles than it did in 1995. Too bad it lost the Prelude though.

#7200 of 8533 Re: That's not all [blueiedgod] by explorerx4

Mar 02, 2006 (5:03 pm)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 02, 2006 6:03 am)
not sure how your reply relates to my post about basing a small suv purchase based on horsepower.
if anyone does, it's like saying "i'm the best hitter in single A baseball" or "division 3 ncaa basketball".

#7201 of 8533 Re: That's not all [explorerx4] by dromedarius

Mar 03, 2006 (6:01 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Mar 02, 2006 5:03 pm)
You seriously haven't read any of the literally hundreds of "40 HP and 40 ft.-lbs of torque posts"???
 
 

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