Last post on Nov 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM
You are in the Honda CR-V
What is this discussion about?
Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#6818 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [explorerx4]
Nov 16, 2005 (6:23 am)
Replying to: varmint (Nov 14, 2005 6:23 pm)
long term solution? the escape is still basically the same vehicle since it was introduced. it still works, for what it is, an entry level suv. after several years of changes, maybe the crv can outperform the escape 0-60, or whatever.
the escape v6 is not a cheap solution. it is one that works and continues to work for the buyers. it took years for honda to catch up. the I-4 maxed out, so they had to put in a 5 speed transmission. good, they keep trying.
the escape and the mariner are still selling well, and don't forget about the maverick.
I would like to get what you are smoking, it obviously alters your reality.
K24 maxed out??? Let's see, K24 in the CR-V is the lowest efficiency engine in the K-series. Acura TSX has the same engine with 200 hp, and who knows, if Honda squeeses 200 hp out of 2.0 liter and 240 hp out of 2.2 liter, maybe the 2.4 liter in the CR-V is not so maxed out??
The Duratec V6 is the band aid that Ford uses to get by. None of the car with Duratec V6 approach 30 mpg economy (Not even small Contour) that Honda is getting with K24, K20, and the 3.5 Liter V6. Any company that thinks that people will be willing to continue dumping their hard earned money into filling up their cars, is SHORT SIGHTED!!!
5 speed transmission in the Cr-V was just the icing on the cake. It gave Auto CR-V same fuel economy as the manual, and is a much better approach to incentives than REBATES. Because it does not hurt the current owners' resale values.
I think you got it backwards as far who catching up to who. Honda had the CR-V in 1996 in Japan, 1997 in the US, it took Ford 5 years to bring out the 2001 Escape. So, who is catching up to who? If Ford is so great at developing vehicles, why didn't they have Escape in 1995?
Me driving the same way, I get 30 mpg in the CR-V, 19 in the Escape. So, what is the big hype about the Escape? It is slower, and uses more gas, sounsd like a winner, NOT
#6819 of 8533 Re: The 3.0 [scape2]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:00 am)
"Duratec in the Fusion makes 220HP, the 3.0 in the Honda Accord makes 240HP.. Yet in a Motor Trend shootout the Fusion was only .6 seconds behind in 0-60..."
How did I miss this? Please, dear Scape2, allow me a rebuttal...
Here we go again. Trying and trying to make the [Duratec Fusion] be as powerful as the [VTEC V6] in the [Accord]. Keep on dreaming. When anyone enters these vehicles they will feel the difference, its there. Plus, anyone who knows and usese the torque will feel the differnce. To say [Honda] had to use a [VTEC V6] to compete with the [Duratec] in the [Fusion] just makes me laugh at how ignorant a statement this is. FAct is the [Accord] rides with more confidence, fact is the [Accord] can move its weight around with more confidence.
And don't get me started on the 33 hp difference...
#6820 of 8533 Actually, Scape2
Nov 16, 2005 (9:04 am)
"...fact is the Escape can move its weight around with more confidence."
When you originally posted that little gem, I wanted to ask if your source for that information is the guy who run the NHTSA rollover tests. You know, the test where the Escape instills tremendous confidence by tipping up on two wheels trying to make a J-turn. Did you ask them?
#6821 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [blueiedgod]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:07 am)
"I would like to get what you are smoking, it obviously alters your reality. K24 maxed out???"
I think what he means is that the K24 is maxxed out so long as no changes are made to the design or hardware. If Honda were to make improvements to the engine (like when Ford improved the Escape's engine by decreasing its output), that wouldn't count.
Ya know, technically, he's right.
#6822 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [explorerx4]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:50 am)
Hmm, does the Escape have a 5 speed auto tranny? How about VSC? Etc. So if I agree with your catch up comment, seems to me Honda has passed Ford, at least in terms of content. Sales, well you can find dozens of theories about why the domestics continue to sell vehicles (although not really all that well based on their size). For a little motor company, Honda does pretty well in terms of sales. For a giant motor company, Ford does poorly.
Final comment on playing catch up. Marty Collins, General Manager for Ford's marketing division recently said the following:
"But long before gas prices spiked, we said there was business to be had below Focus and Escape because the Japanese have put a stake in the ground and said they'll have a string of vehicles coming out at that end of the market"
Seems pretty clear to me who is playing catch up.
#6823 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [explorerx4]
Nov 16, 2005 (9:55 am)
ok, i'm wrong. honda still hasn't caught up, yet.
look at it this way, what changes to they make to the civic, since last introduced? they didn't have to because it sold well the way it was. the cr-v has had several upgrades(powertrain and features). this was to try to reach the escape 'line in the sand'.
Ford is still playing catch up. The Civic you are referring to went through a model change. Intrduced as a 2001, it has outlived its usefull life. Ford Focus on the other hand, was introduced in 1999?? Why do we still have the same old Focus? Not the Euro Focus? Does Ford think that its customers are stupid? I think Ford does think that. Do you?
#6824 of 8533 Escape Upgrades
Nov 16, 2005 (10:12 am)
"the cr-v has had several upgrades(powertrain and features). this was to try to reach the escape 'line in the sand'."
The Escape has had plenty of upgrades. First the incentives were only $500. Then they upgraded them to $1,500. Then they upgraded those incentives to $2,000. Then they started offering them at employee prices.
That's how Ford upgrades a vehicle.
#6825 of 8533 Re: Escape Upgrades [varmint]
Nov 16, 2005 (3:08 pm)
first off, i want to say that some models of the escape are not what i would term a bargain.
check out the msrp on an escape and you will understand how they can provide generous incentives.
i'm pretty good at math, so if anyone needs some help let me know.
#6826 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [blueiedgod]
Nov 16, 2005 (3:30 pm)
honda does have fine entry level vehicles. while we were looking for my wife's next vehicle, which turned out to be an escape, i decided i wanted to buy a small car. the finalists were a civic vp 2 door and a focus 4 door. for $350 more i got a focus with ton of features (power moonroof, heated seats and mirrors, abs, pzev engine, the list goes on and on) and a fine driving car. color me stupid.
#6827 of 8533 Re: V6 vs I4 [explorerx4]
Nov 16, 2005 (4:30 pm)
"honda does have fine entry level vehicles. while we were looking for my wife's next vehicle, which turned out to be an escape, i decided i wanted to buy a small car. the finalists were a civic vp 2 door and a focus 4 door. for $350 more i got a focus with ton of features (power moonroof, heated seats and mirrors, abs, pzev engine, the list goes on and on) and a fine driving car."
You planning on keeping that Focus for more that 4 years?