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#6188 of 8533 Re: Baggs [snowman] by stevedebi

Jun 24, 2005 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 24, 2005 11:37 am)
"Accord sales shrunk 23.7%, Civic 24.7% compared to 2004 May. And this is not related gasoline prices.... "
 
Well, I suppose that is true, but you should also note that those values are only for the month of May, and that the year to date numbers are somewhat better: Civic -13.8% and Accord -7.9%.
 
The honda light truck division is booming, up 14%. Eating someone's lunch there, probably GM and Ford. Ford truck sales are down -8.4%.
 
Let's return to the topic; we should note that CR-V sales are up by 5.4%, both monthly and year to date.
 
Here are the Ford Figures for the Escape: Month of May -39.5%, year to date -10.9%. At least it's better than the Explorer/Expedition, which are both down over 20%.
 
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=20891&make_id=trust

#6190 of 8533 Re: Baggs [stevedebi] by baggs32

Jun 24, 2005 (1:22 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 24, 2005 12:08 pm)
The honda light truck division is booming, up 14%. Eating someone's lunch there, probably GM and Ford. Ford truck sales are down -8.4%.
 
A lot of that has to do with the fact that they have a brand new model in the lineup that didn't exist last year. Which ironically isn't doing as well as Honda had hoped out of the gate. Add +100% into the equation of any average and it's going to look better than it really is.

#6191 of 8533 Snowman by varmint

Jun 24, 2005 (2:01 pm)

Snowman - The discussion originated with someone posting that the Escape's Duratec was "ancient", technologically speaking. Variable valve timing was listed as one of the technologies not applied to the Escape's engine. At that point, you made a remark which I agree with. Not every technology needs to be applied to every engine. The principle being use the right tool for the job.
 
Despite the fact that I agree with the sentiment, I do not think it applies in this particular case. I listed two engines of the same displacement (a Mazda and a Honda) where VVT has been used successfully to improve the engine. Baggs listed a third for us (the Jag). Various VVT systems are being used by every major player in the automotive market. To be quite honest... as I'm writing this, I'm trying to think of another modern 3.0L which puts out less power than the one in the Escape, and I'm having a hard time coming up with an example.
 
So, based on the performance of its 3.0L peers, I would have to rate the Escape's Duratec pretty low. It's not an "ancient" engine, but I'd call it "dated" without reservation.
 
Now, if you feel the only way to measure an engine's performance is to compare it with other engines in similar cars, then we can do the CR-V versus Escape thing. The CR-V's I4 will run circles around the Escape's I4. Even with the more advanced valve technologies not available to the Duratec, the Mazda-derived I4 powering the Escape is no match for the CR-V's I4. The fact that we spend half our time in this thread comparing the CR-V's I4 to the Escape's V6 ought to tell you how well Honda's engines perform.

#6192 of 8533 Sales by varmint

Jun 24, 2005 (2:12 pm)

Funny how I'm commanded not to bring up other Honda models, but sales of the entire Honda line are fair game, eh Snowman?
 
Sales for the Accord and Civic are not down because the engines aren't up to snuff in the area of technology. They are down for several reasons, but none of them have to do with lack of sophistication. Lack of incentives, cuts in production (in anticipation of the next generation Civic), increased competition in the segments from companies like Mazda, Nissan, Hyundai, and Subaru, lack-luster styling in the case of the Accord... All of that stuff plays a part in the performance of those two car lines. But lack of engine technology is not part of the game.
 
"A lot of that has to do with the fact that they have a brand new model in the lineup that didn't exist last year." - Baggs
 
The same can be said for Ford. The Freestyle is new to their lineup.

#6193 of 8533 Re: Snowman [varmint] by explorerx4

Jun 24, 2005 (3:22 pm)

Replying to: varmint (Jun 24, 2005 2:01 pm)
if you come back to 'the right tool for the job', then the duratec fits that description.
it is tuned to have a wide torque curve, not max peak horsepower. i don't see too many (any?) owner complaints about it.

#6194 of 8533 Any comments by stevedebi

Jun 24, 2005 (3:38 pm)

On why the Escape sales are down this year? The additional sales increase of the CR-V isn't eating up that much of the sales volume. Maybe the new mini SUVs, like the Tuscon, and the redesigned RAV4? Liberty diesel?
 
I'd have thought with a sheet metal freshening plus some new transmission items, the 2005 would have done at least as well as 2004 (which it may yet; we won't know until 2005 is over).

#6195 of 8533 Comparo by stevedebi

Jun 24, 2005 (4:40 pm)

I was looking at the specs for the Escape Hybrid when I noticed some differences in the specifications of the Escape that cause me to prefer the CR-V.
 
Turning Radius: Escape 37.1, CR-V 34. I love how nimble the CR-V is in traffic and parking. To me, the Escape rides a bit better than the CR-V, maybe this impacts the turning radius.
 
Cargo room: Escape is about 7 cu feet less that the CR-V in both behind the rear seats and with the seats folded. And that is not counting the large well (a.k.a. "ice chest") beneath the CR-V cargo floor, which is probably another couple of cubic feet.
 
Rear Seat room: Escape: 36 in, CR-V 39 in. On long trips I often pull the CR-V seats forward a couple of inches, making them similar - but then I have almost 40 cu feet of cargo space.
 
Also, I'm not sure what the cost would be for a 7 year, 100K, no deductable extended warranty for an Escape. It cost about $900 for my CR-V.
 
Of course, I have no need of towing anything, so that factor is not important for me...
 
I'm always amazed at the packaging job Honda did on the 2nd Gen CR-V. Really efficient.

#6196 of 8533 Re: Any comments [stevedebi] by explorerx4

Jun 24, 2005 (4:42 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 24, 2005 3:38 pm)
i know exactly why escape sales are down so much. the sticker price is way too high.

#6197 of 8533 Re: Any comments [explorerx4] by stevedebi

Jun 24, 2005 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 24, 2005 4:42 pm)
"I know exactly why escape sales are down so much. the sticker price is way too high."
 
Some people will (no doubt) respond with their great deals on the Escape Limited V6; give it a day at most. So I suppose some people disagree.
 
If I recall correctly, Ford is showing a $2000 rebate (I think - through July 5th). Could be $1000, I'm not sure - I was looking at the Hybrid, which doesn't have a rebate.

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