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#6165 of 8533 Re: [scape2] by blueiedgod

Jun 22, 2005 (5:16 am)

Replying to: scape2 (Jun 22, 2005 2:56 am)
This is funny. You say a 2002 Focus for 6K? Ever checked low blue book on a 2002 Focus? I can buy a new Focus in my region for 9K. An STS Focus sells for 14K. Try to get a Civic EX for 13K, they will laugh you out of the showroom. Honda dealerships advertise Civic Ex's for 18K. Honda's cost more in my region.. Lots more than comparable equipped vehicles. Heck! Even a Toyoa Camry costs 2K less than an Accord...If Honda's are so great then why has thier customer satisfaction fallen? Why have sales gone flat?
 
Blue book is not widley used in my region, Black book, AKA Galvin's is used in NY more often than anything.
We sold the Focus privatley for $7K, she had to add $1000 to pay off her loan to release the lien. I highly doubt you can get an 2004 Focus SE with the options she had for $9K. Besides, we bought both of our cars in 2002, when the going price was what it was. You are MISSING A BIG POINT HERE, let me spell it out for you. I bought a Civic Si (top of th eline Civic), she bought Focus SE (middle of the line, but the only manual 4 door, not a stripped down version we could find in the region) Her's had a $1000 rebate and 0% interest offer, mine had no rebate and 1.9% interest offer. Civic cost $14.5K, Focus cost $14K. Fast forward to 30 months. Both cars have been equally driven, both have been maintaned by the book. I go for trade in appraisal at Honda and offered $11,500 as first offer, after negotiations it went up to $12,500. $14,500-$12,500=$2000 to drive the car for 30 months. She goes in to Honda to see what she can get, $5K at most. Ford was willing to give her $6K, no more. They offered $7K if she bought a used Escape. $14,000-$6000=$8,000 for the privilige to drive FORD for 30 months.
 
This is one of the reasons she decided to lease the Escape. It is guaranteed 45% depreciation (55% residual), even though it is inflated by Ford. I don;t think a 3 year old Escape with 30,xxx miles will sell for $12K. On the other hand a 2002 CR-V's with 36K sell for over $15K. Heck a 1999 CR-V with 70,000 miles sells for $10K the first day it is advertized.
 
I don't know about Honda sales hurting, GM is offering employee pricing and there is chatter on the internet that Ford will in July. I wonder if Ford is doing it out of its good nature, or because the sales have slumped? I wonder why Ford has to offer rebates on such finely engineered and produced vehicles, while Honda does not. I wonder...

#6166 of 8533 Re: [blueiedgod] by snowman

Jun 22, 2005 (6:05 am)

Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 22, 2005 5:16 am)
"I don't know about Honda sales hurting"
 
Honda is leading by -14.7 %
 
http://www.forbes.com/associatedpress/feeds/ap/2005/06/02/ap2072129.html
 
http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000390034967/
 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-06-01-may-sales_x.htm
 
And it is hard for me to take $14.5K as for price of Civic Si. Civic Si, costs more than that. for $14.5K, you can buy only LX.

#6167 of 8533 Re: [snowman] by snowman

Jun 22, 2005 (6:38 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 22, 2005 6:05 am)
The USA Today article is the best one. It is talking about Honda's aged models and how US consumers are responding to these models.

#6168 of 8533 Re: [snowman] by snowman

Jun 22, 2005 (7:15 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 22, 2005 6:38 am)
My mistake...
Busineess Week Online article talks about that...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_21/b3884079.htm
 
And below lines are from above link
 
"And Honda had to set aside $369 million to cover recall and warranty costs for 600,000 SUVs and minivans with transmission problems. "Honda's situation in the U.S. isn't so good right now," says Yoshio Watanabe, an analyst at Mizuho Securities Co."
 
I like to hear some comments from CRV crowd here...

#6169 of 8533 Re: [snowman] by Stever@Edmunds HOST

Jun 22, 2005 (7:27 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 22, 2005 7:15 am)
On the plus column, the Honda CR-V engine fires discussion has been very quiet of late.
 
Steve, Host

#6170 of 8533 Re: [snowman] by varmint

Jun 22, 2005 (10:22 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 21, 2005 5:27 pm)
"The point is, every manufacturer has a way of doing / accomplishing things, CRV I4 may have this, Escape Duratec may have that... " - Snowman
 
Very true. And just because something works on one engine doesn't necessarily mean that it will have the same impact on another design.
 
Having said that... 200 hp and 193 ft-lbs is not much for a 3.0L engine. Mazda has added VVT and gets 225 from the same engine block. Honda uses a 3.0 to get 250hp and the engine is silky smooth compared with the Duratec.

#6171 of 8533 Re: Bogus pricing info [snowman] by dromedarius

Jun 22, 2005 (10:39 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 21, 2005 5:47 pm)
I paid mine $22.5K + Tax, it is V6, XLT AWD, Side airbags, sunroof, side step bars etc. So which one is cheaper, getting a V6 vehicle for $22.5K or I4 vehicle for $22.5K??
 
This is comparing apples with oranges. If your only measures when buying a vehicle are towing weights and acceleration times, then yes, the Escape is a better buy. I'd argue that if you were really into power, though, you haven't done your research, because the Escape is a mouse next to the Jeep Liberty, especially the CRD, in terms of power.
 
Regardless, the "cheaper" car, when prices are even, is the one with the better resale. Ford has to offer rebates, which hurt resale, to get people to buy Escapes, while Honda, which has a better resale value to begin with, doesn't. Therefore, in terms of strictly monetary value, the Honda is the far better (and smarter) purchase.

#6172 of 8533 Re: [varmint] by explorerx4

Jun 22, 2005 (6:06 pm)

Replying to: varmint (Jun 22, 2005 10:22 am)
varm... you know that some engines are turned for a broad torque curve. max revs/numbers are not the main goal.

#6173 of 8533 Re: [snowman] by blueiedgod

Jun 23, 2005 (5:19 am)

Replying to: snowman (Jun 22, 2005 6:05 am)
"I don't know about Honda sales hurting"
  
Honda is leading by -14.7 %
  
http://www.forbes.com/associatedpress/feeds/ap/2005/06/02/ap2072129.html
  
http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000390034967/
  
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-06-01-may-sales_x.htm
  
And it is hard for me to take $14.5K as for price of Civic Si. Civic Si, costs more than that. for $14.5K, you can buy only LX.
 
It was advertized in the paper at $15K. I walked in asked if they would sell it for $14, they sold it for $14,500. There are people on the board spicific to the new Si who have paid as low as $13,800 for the 2002 Si. LX is bread and butter car, and it comes with auto, which is like air to some people. Si does not come with auto and I lived in a NYC suburb, where most people are not even aware of what manual transmission is. (exaggeration, but closer to truth that you would think)

#6174 of 8533 Re: [explorerx4] by blueiedgod

Jun 23, 2005 (5:21 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 22, 2005 6:06 pm)
varm... you know that some engines are turned for a broad torque curve. max revs/numbers are not the main goal.
 
Don't forget that Honda has a little naturally aspirated gem that makes 240 horses out of a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine. Of course no one would put that in an SUV, but that car can compete with other cars in its category, such as Miata and BMW Z3.

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