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Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Apr 18, 2003 (9:24 am)
Just read an article that talks about the HEV Escape's release. As mentioned before, it will be offered to fleet customers and rental agencies first. Ford explained that they want to make sure that the vehicle is bug-free before releasing it on the open market. One of the concerns mentioned is the battery pack. They need to make sure it can remain cool mounted in the cargo floor. An over heated battery is battery that doesn't work.
This makes sense to me. After the recall fiasco with the original Escape, keeping a lid on a product that will seem experimental to many buyers is a good idea.
However, this also makes me wonder about a few other considerations. Such as...
How long will this HEV model be on the market? The same goes for the Mariner. Before long, the Escape will be due for a complete redesign. It's approaching it's fourth year. Are these coming to market only two years before the basic design is scheduled to get replaced? Or is it possible that the Escape will go essentially unchanged until 2007?
BTW, I'm not trying to be negative about it, I'm just curious about what direction the product is taking. According to another article, Ford believes they can decrease the time taken to get models to market. Currently, it takes them a year longer than other companies (which might explain the rush with the Escape). But that fact next to the concerns about new versions of the old design and one begins to wonder...
Apr 18, 2003 (10:38 am)
"Seriously, would you have guessed they accounted for over half of all sales?"
For the Taurus? I'm not surprised, but I would not have guessed it. I think your theory is more true for the big three's car lines. I wouldn't say the same for their trucks.
Ford at least seems to see this and is trying to re-vamp thier car line. They realize the imports are killing them in that category and it's time to do something about it. GM seems to be making things worse for themselves in all areas. In my opinion they're still stuck in the eighties. If DM could build a vehicle that lasts for more than three years/36,000 miles they would have a fighting chance too. Some of their cars are very appealing in looks, price, and package. They're just not good.
"Are these coming to market only two years before the basic design is scheduled to get replaced? Or is it possible that the Escape will go essentially unchanged until 2007?"
I wondered the same thing when I read those articles. However, everything still points to an Escape re-design for MY 2005 or 2006.
Keep in mind, the current Mountaineer was introduced about a year before the Explorer. They might be pulling the opposite with the Escape/Tribute/Mariner triplets with the Escape/Tribute coming out a year before the Mariner. I have to think the HEV would still be offered because the hybrid system it relies on for motivation is supposedly very easy to transfer from vehicle to vehicle. Adding it as another engine option for the next Escape shouldn't be a biggie if that is the case.
Although, the Freestyle may just be the deciding factor when it comes to the future of the Escape/Tribute/Mariner. If cross-overs take off like they're supposed to, most of these small SUV's will probably go the way of the Dodo.
Apr 18, 2003 (4:50 pm)
I would bet under 28...
Why all this bashing of the Taurus?? My father in law has owned 2 over the last 15 years or so and just bought their third about 2 weeks ago. This is what he tells me.. He went in and purchased a Taurus SES for $18,775. Now, go to Edmunds and see whe Edmunds posts this price of this vehicle at. This car is absolutely loaded, leather, sunroof, 6CD changer. power everything. There is no way in he.. you could even touch an Accord V6, leather, optioned the same for less than 23K.. Honda owners love to talk about resale value, yet they don't tell you you pay more upfront..
Todays paper.. Honda CRV EX's are going for $22,888! want the Dealership? phone# and vin#'s?
Apr 21, 2003 (6:36 am)
Nope. I'm over 28. Think 1970.
My only reason for bringing the Taurus here was to show that fleet and employee sales often account for a high percentage of vehicle sales. If I could get the numbers for other Ford cars and trucks I'm sure you'd be suprised by the numbers. While I doubt they are as high as the Taurus, I bet they account for significant sales.
The Taurus is a decent car. However, the only reason it's mentioned in the same breath as the Accord and Camary is because they are about the same size. Otherwise, they kick it's Taur-as.
I don't know why you're posting $22,888 as a great number when MSRP including destination is $22,860. How can they sell for $28 over MSRP when you say they are sitting on lots everywhere in your area? Dumb dealers?
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Apr 21, 2003 (8:25 am)
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#3790 of 8533 crvgirl crash test ratings
Apr 21, 2003 (1:33 pm)
Yet another reason the CR-V is in our driveway!
90% of the time our V is on the road is with the wife and kids. Nice to know it's at the TOP of that list as well!!!
Apr 22, 2003 (8:01 pm)
Been through this over and over again..
Did you read the part in the Escape test where data was lost and the left foot area was actually rated as good?? not poor? for the Escape?
Also, the Escape stops anywhere from 9ft up to 13ft better than the CRV depending on what brake test you read. Thus allowing you a better chance to avoid an accident all together. The Escape also handles better than the CRV. The other thing is the rear portion of the CRV is an accident waiting to happen. The rear collision causes the glass to explode because of the rear mounted tire and lots of $$$ to fix..The other large item is the vehicle tested was a 2001 Escape with no side air bags. Side air bags were not available until 2002 in the Escapes. Time for a new test I would say..
Granted, the Escape doesn't do as well as the CRV but to paint it as being an unsafe vehicle is going a bit too far..
#3792 of 8533 "Granted, the Escape doesn't do as well as the CRV..."
Apr 22, 2003 (8:21 pm)
That's the point, isn't it? Even if the Escape isn't "unsafe," it didn't do as well as the CR-V.