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You are in the Honda CR-V
What is this discussion about?
Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Mar 10, 2003 (2:29 pm)
I am still waiting for information on all these "incentives" that are supposed to be driving Ford Escape/Mazda sales??
Do you or varmit work for Honda??
Face it Honda fans. People are finding out the Escape/Tribute are reliable/quality built vehicles and word is spreading. This is why Escape/Trib sales are up and CRV sales are DOWN or flat at best.
iciv, how can you rely on this data from these companies when Honda hides its TSB information from the public??
Took my Escape XLT 4x4 up over MT Hood this weekend. It was snowing over 1" an hour.. The little ute did fine, NO chains! made it over the top no problems.. I had chains though just in case. I now have have about 22,000 trouble free miles on my Escape with NOT ONE Problem. I also own a 1998 Ranger 4x4 reaching the 85,000 mile mark and its had no problems.. C'mon Honda fans..thought all Fords were supposed to be unreliable??
Ever thought that maybe, just maybe Ford/Mazda have a huge winner on its hands? ever thougth people may just like them better than the CRV? Ever thought???
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Mar 10, 2003 (2:30 pm)
You haven't driven a new Honda lately? Now they get outstanding marks for materials, fit and finish, and ergonomics. Not to mention the entire line of vehicles pretty much top all safety tests.
If you compare current vehicles dollar for dollar, I'd say the nicer and more fun statement falls flat on it's face. Before the Focus, I can't think of a Ford that was as fun as the CRX or Civic Si.
The CR-V and the Escape are in the same class when it comes to materials and a solid feel.
Mar 10, 2003 (2:32 pm)
Getting back to the CR-V and Escape...
Frankly, I'd take the manual CR-V for driving pleasure. It's got more character, too. The CR-V has a pass-through between the front seats, a picnic table in the back, a funky e-brake, fully reclining seats, and standard moonroof on EX models.
The Escape has a bunch of ordinary appliances inside, styling that looks like every other Ford truck on the road, and a 200 hp engine that can only be had with a 4 speed automatic transmission. How much fun can you have with an automatic-only SUV? There's a reason why people call them "slushboxes".
Mar 10, 2003 (2:51 pm)
Sure I've driven new Hondas. Drove an 03 Accord just a bit ago, in fact. I have nothing against them, they just don't "do it" for me with their bland "styling by sears" and tinny feel. The Fords feel more substantial and fit me better usually. Certainly have some style in most cases....not sure about the Focus though, can't warm up to that one at all, especially inside. But the Escape is cute, the CR-V is a dog to me. All subjective, I know, but my subjective dollars go to the car that excites me.
As I said initially, Fords have usually treated me very well. I don't dispute that Honda has less problems per hundred, but there's more to my satisfaction equation than the red circle under reliability alone. Based upon the highway view - I have a lot of company. I don't know, can anybody EVER make the "perfect car"? Somebody should have done that by now...... Oh, that's right, Henry Ford did a long time ago.... I think Honda copied it. And my daughter is driving it.
Mar 10, 2003 (7:16 pm)
I'm sorry, if the new Accord feels "tinny" to you, I can't imagine what you're looking for. I could agree with your 14 year old Civic feeling tinny but the new Accord...wow.
Yes, very subjective. But if Honda styling is "Sears" styling, what the heck is Ford?
Ford makes so many cars that inspire no emotion whatsoever. Here are a few names to throw a Blue Light Oval on...Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, Contour/Mystique, Aspire(haahaa for what?), Taurus/Sable (let this one die while they worried about trucks.)Tempo/Topaz, Blandstar, and all of the trucks look the same. (Except for the Escape which took styling cues from the Cherokee.)
Emotion inspiring? The Mustang (of course, if it didn't have a V8 it would just be ugly.), Lincoln LS (could be a Mitsu Diamante), Thunderchicken, and SVT Focus are there only vehicles that do anything for me other than inspire a so-what glance.
Only my subjective opinion.
I think any kid (or adult for that matter) would rather drive a new Escape over a 14 year old Civic with 170,000 miles on it. Heck, I would.
Mar 10, 2003 (7:43 pm)
I'm sure he meant that nice, solid German tin they craft BMWs from. =)
Mar 11, 2003 (8:36 pm)
I have no affiliation with Ford in any way. I don't even think I qualify for any special plans (x plan or whatever).
Like you, I also see myself as a very conservative person and look for vehicles that are capable of lasting a very long time (10 years/200k+ miles) reliabily, at a reasonable purchase price. I believe there are many brands out there that are capable of this including Honda, Toyota, Nissan and yes Ford.
Mar 12, 2003 (10:39 am)
"But you probably don't have the highest standards."
Why? Because he doesn't consider CR to be of a higher standard than his own experiences and opinions? Letting someone else set your standards does not mean you have high standards. I think it actually means that one has no standards.
I for one will not let some numbers in a few publications influence what I decide to drive. My standards do not allow for that. I sometimes mention that I really want a next gen Mustang for my next car and that's still true. I could easily change my mind and say I want a Subaru WRX because it is just as fast, costs about the same, probably handles a little better, and is surely carries a higher reliability rating in CR, J.D., etc.. They're not the one's who will have to live with it so that will never happen. All I had to do was sit in one and I knew immediately that it wasn't for me. I felt like I was sitting in a leather lined economy car. The Mustang just has a better atmosphere to me. Maybe I'm just old fashioned or something. I would have even taken a Camaro over the WRX.
How many of you CR drones out there are going to buy a Hyundai when it's time to get a new vehicle? According to CR, a Hyundai is just as good as a Honda. Would you still buy one? Remember that Hyundai was at the bottom of their list just a few years ago.
What was Ford's number for problems per 100 last year? Wasn't it about twice that of this year's number? Doesn't it seem odd to anyone how they can lower that number so fast when they are building the same models at the same plants with the same workers using the same exact parts from the same suppliers?