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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#702 of 3798 Re: Comments from link comparing GC, Ody, Sienna[dae] [hansienna] [dae] [masterpaul1] [jimlockey]
Jun 01, 2005 (12:46 pm)
"it was way over rated"
I thought the same of the 2004 Ody after test driving it. Seemed to ride and accelerate much like the Sienna. Was a nice van...nothing special. Exterior of 2004 Ody fairly plain and unimaginative. So, Honda listened to all you who complained and stole much of the 2004 Mazda MPV exterior styling and put it into their 2005 model.2005 Ody much nicer.Touring model has outstanding interior.
While the Mazda MPV can't match the size, power or amenities of some of it's competitors...it wasn't meant to. Has more than enough power off the line as well as passing power on the highways. Has plenty of room on interior...perfect for a family of 4. Has a quiet comfortable ride ... seats are comfortable...even for 7 people.Has car-like handling qualities, brakes are excellent. Interior and exterior styling complimentary...elegant, sporty and sophistacated styling.Is made in Japan...fit and finish and overall quality of workmanship is superior. Reliability is as good or better than competitors.Has a 4 yr/50k bumper to bumper warranty. A loaded LX a much better value than the ES. Sadly, is probably the last year for the MPV. Redesigned 2007 model will be available in fall 2006...though not in U.S.
#704 of 3798 Re: Comments from link comparing GC, Ody, Sienna[dae] [hansienna] [dae]
Jun 01, 2005 (2:50 pm)
I think I have said many times that both the Honda and Toyota are very nice vans. I look on both of them more as people movers than anything else, as I am sure most people that buy them would not use them to carry much more than people, strollers, toys, baseball gear and etc. I can't see very many putting plywood, 2x4's, furniture or most anything else big in them.
I have tried not to put the vans down except that I think they are over priced and are not as trouble free as many Honda and Toyota owners want to make them out to be. But I have watched here as Honda and Toyota owners have slammed the Dodge/Chrysler in things as," I do find the tune of DCG ride thoroughly nauseating. Apparently I am not alone." Apparently not, but you haven't heard anyone that owns one, or even anyone that has done a product review on them, say they didn't handle very nice. Just some Honda and Toyota owners.
I listen to others say the outside and inside of the Dodge/Chrysler is ugly, seats are hard. While I admit, I think the dash on the Honda is beautiful and they have some nice colors in them. And I love the inside of the Toyota, I wouldn't call the Dodge ugly. Especially outside. I still think the outside is nicer than all the vans. Inside, I think Chrysler could use a lot of color and chrome. Ugly? No. Plain? Yes.
Yes, the Honda and Toyota is a little faster and gets a little better gas mileage. But the Dodge is fast enough for me. You see, I bought a minivan, not a hot rod. I bought a people mover and a working van, not just a people mover. Your Honda does an excellent job of moving people. Mine does an excellent job of moving people and being a working van too.
While your vans look lovely inside. To get all the features I have and want on a minivan, I would have to pay about $8,000.00 more for a Honda or Toyota, and I still wouldn't have a working van, just a people mover.
You can keep saying the Dodge/Chrysler are junk but people who own them know better. We love the way they ride. We love the quietness of them. We know the sliding doors work well and love the top quality radios and A/C in them. We love the front seats, they fit like a glove. We think Stow-N-Go is the next best thing since ice cream. We love the storage the van has that no other van can compare to. We love the overhead computer. We love the fact that we're ready to put in our vans, anything that can fit in a van and do it on a moments notice.Best of all, we love the idea that we got it all for the price we paid. Were happy no matter what you think of our vans.
#706 of 3798 Re: Odyssey easily beats what Chrysler has now. [macakava]
Jun 01, 2005 (4:40 pm)
Hi, I'm new to these forums so I hope I'm in the right place to get some advice. I have to decide between a low mileage 2001 Town and country and a high mileage 1999 Odyssey. Has anyone run into driverís seat fire problems on Canadian market 1999 Odysseys like the driverís seat fire on VIN 2HKRL1866XH003866? And what about any transmission problems? I intend to keep the car for a long, long time and while reliability is really important to me, so is comfort and utility for an adult and 4 children. I appreciate any help.
#707 of 3798 Re: Odyssey easily beats what Chrysler has now. [elsieb]
Jun 01, 2005 (5:22 pm)
Given that the tranny problems started with the 1999 models, I would be very concerned buying that model, especially with high mileage. Chrysler had their minivan tranny problems in the 1990's as well - but that has been resolved I believe.
I have an '04 Ody built in June 2004 and the tranny recall was only to Odys built to Dec 2003. So the tranny on Ody's built from 1/2004 onwards had the modification/fix included as a brand-new, not rebuilt tranny.
From a driving point of view, I find the Ody to be more fun, spirited, "sporty" and engaging to drive than the other minivans, and that drove my decision to buy it.
Back to your choice between the two vehicles, it depends on many things such as mileage differences between the two(eg 50K vs 150K), mechanical conditions, and whether the tranny recall/fix was done satisfactorily on the Ody. If your priorities in a minivan do not include fun and engaging to drive, etc, then the T & C with lower mileage looks more attractive. I would have both minivans mechanically checked out thoroughly before deciding.
#708 of 3798 TitleLess
Jun 01, 2005 (8:22 pm)
When i am driving a sedan, I notice the Sienna Blinds my rear views during night whenever it's behind me, or when i try to take a left-turn. I was always wonder why does Sienna owner really enjoy turning on the Highbeam, actually it's not, is just that the headlight sit TOO high, and causes road hazardous
the picture of the 3 mini for comparison http://motortrend.com/roadtests/van/112_0505_minivans/index5.html
#709 of 3798 Re: You can't beat what Chrysler has now. [dae]
Jun 01, 2005 (8:23 pm)
I just have to say that I don't think irg considers his base Sienna "a real stripper." He clearly stated in an earlier post "But is comes pretty well equipped for what I wanted I didn't need or want a sunroof, leather, dvd, so for me, the base was adequate.
I also know for a fact that he did not want the side curtain air bags for the back seat riders. I won't explain why, you can read the explanation on some earlier posts, but it was important to him and by buying the base XLE he eliminated that problem. I think he simply bought the van that fits his budget and personal preferences and eliminated paying for any extra features that he really didn't want or need. Why wouldn't he? Doesn't everyone?
I don't think anyone's cars are "strippers" I think everyone has different budgets and preferences and usually buy accordingly. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that the car they just bought was a stripper unless I was making their monthly payment!
As for the fairy tail thing. I think a fairy tail is an event that is highly unlikely to have happened or to happen such as, pumpkins turning into carriages, beasts turning into princes and so on. I don't consider more than one person wanting the same van in the same day a fairy tail, I consider that highly likely to happen especially since I have heard that the base XLE is hard to come by. Just my opinion though!
Jun 01, 2005 (10:31 pm)
While you may not see many plumbers or electricians tooling around in a Ody or Sienna, there are PLENTY of taxis in the NYC area that are Odys and Siennas. Meanwhile I have seen one DGC taxi ever in the NYC area. Most likely because of the previous trouble with DGC transmissions, but this does say something for the reliability of the Honda and Toyota offerings. Taxi drivers do not suffer expensive to maintain vehicles for long here in NY. So it is not just consumers assuming the vans are a good value, to be driven as taxis they pretty much HAVE to be.
#711 of 3798 Re: Just to add [lastwraith]
Jun 01, 2005 (11:39 pm)
Like I said on another forum. The Honda and Toyota are great minivans. Both look very nice, good looking inside and are reliable.
I think they would make a great taxi. If you're just looking for a people mover, you couldn't go wrong with either one. That is, if your only interested in taking your wife/husband and kids from point A, to point B, you couldn't go wrong with either van. Their top of the line.
But the Dodge/Chrysler is more than a people mover. It's a family van. It can do things that Honda or Toyota can't do.
If your going on an over night trip, you can sleep in the back of a Dodge/Chrysler van. You can't in a Honda and Toyota.
If your kids want to take their motor cycle out in the country and ride it, you couldn't get it in those two vans.
If you bought a new stove, dresser, Lazyboy, you couldn't get it in those vans. You could carry it in a Dodge/Chrysler minivan.
You could load a 25 gallon air compressor on wheels and put it in the side door of a Dodge/Chrysler van, with one seat stowed, all by yourself. You couldn't do that with either of those vans.
You could put a double stroller, all set up, in the side door of a Dodge/Chrysler minivan. You couldn't do that with either of those two vans.
So when you buy a van, you should know how your going to use it. Are you just going to take you, your family and a few small things from point A, to point B? If so, you couldn't go wrong in buying either the Honda or Toyota. Both should give you years of good service.
But if your going to use it as a family van and you know their will be many times you'll want to carry other, bigger things in it. Go camping in it or etc. The Dodge/Chrysler is your best and maybe only choice.
How you use it depends on what you buy.